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Post by brp on Apr 29, 2024 8:03:57 GMT -5
Ditching the tub won't be great for some as well. For me and Robin, we don't like the tubs. However, almost every family I know who has little kids use the bath tubs.
We definitely prefer not tubs. It would not be a deal breaker for us, but a solid negative. More than a few deal breakers with this offering, and the tubs would just be one more nail in an already well sealed coffin.
Cheers.
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Post by tomandrobin on Apr 29, 2024 8:41:34 GMT -5
For me and Robin, we don't like the tubs. However, almost every family I know who has little kids use the bath tubs.
Our oldest grandson will be 11 this year, he stopped using the tubs in WDW 2 years ago. The youngest grandson will be 9 and as of December, still enjoys his WDW tub time.
I know many who have kids who need tubs. My 16yo hasn't had a bath in maybe 13 years or more. For us it isn't an issue but for many it would be. I have other issues with the cabins though. I do not know this for a fact, but I have a suspicion that prior to the DVC conversion, most people booking those cabins had a car. Owners at existing DVC resorts tend to drive less, fly more then cash paying guests.
There will not be CL at the Tower.
I didn't think, but it was a speculation somewhere. I think on a site that was convinced they'd be separate associations so huge boulder of salt. But the idea of a pay lounge or restaurant isn't too much of a stretch for me. Resales are nuts there now. Only 13 contracts total available for all of PVB. Once a permit for the tower was under the same number as the rest of the DVC work goes under it's been a madhouse. DVC has the five two bedrooms CL at AKV-Jambo becuase to two reasosn - 1. The rooms are located at the CL lounge and 2. They are literally the worse view rooms of the resort. No one who paid cash wanted them.
DVC tried a "modified" club experience at Copper Creek. It was a complete and utter failure.
The only way DVC well ever get another CL would be if a similar situation as Jambo House comes up. However, there is nothing existing that is similar.....so I do not ever see a second DVC CL type rooms.
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Post by helenabear on Apr 29, 2024 9:16:03 GMT -5
I know many who have kids who need tubs. My 16yo hasn't had a bath in maybe 13 years or more. For us it isn't an issue but for many it would be. I have other issues with the cabins though. I didn't think, but it was a speculation somewhere. I think on a site that was convinced they'd be separate associations so huge boulder of salt. But the idea of a pay lounge or restaurant isn't too much of a stretch for me. Resales are nuts there now. Only 13 contracts total available for all of PVB. Once a permit for the tower was under the same number as the rest of the DVC work goes under it's been a madhouse. DVC has the five two bedrooms CL at AKV-Jambo becuase to two reasosn - 1. The rooms are located at the CL lounge and 2. They are literally the worse view rooms of the resort. No one who paid cash wanted them.
DVC tried a "modified" club experience at Copper Creek. It was a complete and utter failure.
The only way DVC well ever get another CL would be if a similar situation as Jambo House comes up. However, there is nothing existing that is similar.....so I do not ever see a second DVC CL type rooms.
I remember the "CL" at CCV. I actually didn't add on there initially because of it. I was so mad at what they did and I love CL. I do wish they had real club level access beyond Jambo (I dislike Jambo so not going to try that). I don't see it happening either. Not sure what it will be though. I actually thought the windows might be a grand villa but this group was off on whatever they thought would be great. It looked a bit small for a lounge but maybe not. Neither Tambu nor Trader Sam is all that big. I'm hopeful for good options there though. I was just thinking about your drive vs fly and am curious if the cabins were that way. I know golf cart rental was high and sometimes sold out so unsure. People were complaining about the parking lot size for the tower. Never mind that the other DVC lot was never full in all my days of staying there. I just want this built so people can atop being so angry all the time. |
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Apr 29, 2024 13:48:28 GMT -5
We definitely prefer not rubs. I like rubs, though... Wait, what are we talking about |
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Post by Brian5581 on May 1, 2024 22:15:40 GMT -5
We definitely prefer not rubs. I like rubs, though... Wait, what are we talking about Ha, likewise… As for the lack of cabin sales, good. Shows how popular the idea of them is… |
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Post by minniesueb on May 3, 2024 17:16:57 GMT -5
Just returned from a SSR trip. While waiting for our flight yesterday afternoon, we headed over where the spa was located thinking we would enjoy some quiet time in the lobby. The old spa space has now been turned into offices.
A gentleman stopped to talked with us who is in upper DVC management and thru the course of our conversation, I asked the question how the cabins were selling and he said, "not well." I snickered and told him the many problems that I have with them.
No washer/dryer His reply: Oh, there's ton of facilities to do laundry in campground. I replied - but it needs to be IN THE UNIT for me.
I said that the cabins weren't my idea of a DVC product.
He truly believes that people will want these cabins because guests can now bring their pets. I replied that's enough reason for me to never stay in them as I'm allergic.
He also truly believes that once the cabins open up for showing that they will sell well. I shook my head and he said, "lets have this conversation a year from now."
I'm still shaking my head.
He truly believes they are going to attract a certain niche of the market. Still shaking my head.
Side note: I did ask about the Poly. He knows but wouldn't divulge anything.
I also would have LOVED to use the spa services yesterday but.......
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Post by helenabear on May 3, 2024 18:26:22 GMT -5
I would probably stay at SSR more if the spa opened. I mean it's a nice resort but yeah, spa time for me would be so nice.
I am with you on the cabins. To be fair, I think the MFs and selling price are killers. It might attract certain family sizes but as a whole the layout is a miss. The location is polarizing at best. I'll be interested to see if it ever picks up. Disney might as well just sell Polynesian now and make some money.
Speaking of Polynesian resale prices are through the roof. I just saw a $185 point go full asking in less than a day. There is a July UY there but no 2024 for $175 now. Um wow... I think the ROFR has prices soaring.
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Post by tomandrobin on May 5, 2024 6:14:54 GMT -5
Just returned from a SSR trip. While waiting for our flight yesterday afternoon, we headed over where the spa was located thinking we would enjoy some quiet time in the lobby. The old spa space has now been turned into offices. A gentleman stopped to talked with us who is in upper DVC management and thru the course of our conversation, I asked the question how the cabins were selling and he said, "not well." I snickered and told him the many problems that I have with them. No washer/dryer His reply: Oh, there's ton of facilities to do laundry in campground. I replied - but it needs to be IN THE UNIT for me. I said that the cabins weren't my idea of a DVC product. He truly believes that people will want these cabins because guests can now bring their pets. I replied that's enough reason for me to never stay in them as I'm allergic. He also truly believes that once the cabins open up for showing that they will sell well. I shook my head and he said, "lets have this conversation a year from now." I'm still shaking my head. He truly believes they are going to attract a certain niche of the market. Still shaking my head. Side note: I did ask about the Poly. He knows but wouldn't divulge anything. I also would have LOVED to use the spa services yesterday but....... I wish I was having that conversation with DVC management. I would clear layout to him everything that is going wrong with the cabins and why it will be a huge failure. Him mentioning the dog allowance, I would have pointed out to him that only a small percentage of the cabins will allow pets.
Also, there is no excuse that the spa services have not been reopened. Surprisingly, this has slipped past me that it was still "temporarily closed".
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Post by tomandrobin on May 5, 2024 6:18:58 GMT -5
I would probably stay at SSR more if the spa opened. I mean it's a nice resort but yeah, spa time for me would be so nice. I am with you on the cabins. To be fair, I think the MFs and selling price are killers. It might attract certain family sizes but as a whole the layout is a miss. The location is polarizing at best. I'll be interested to see if it ever picks up. Disney might as well just sell Polynesian now and make some money. Speaking of Polynesian resale prices are through the roof. I just saw a $185 point go full asking in less than a day. There is a July UY there but no 2024 for $175 now. Um wow... I think the ROFR has prices soaring. At this point, you have three options for adding Poly. 1. Buy when presales start.....it will be the best pricing over the course of active sales. 1. Or wait until Poly sells out and resale prices drop a gain. 3. Give up and buy a resale at another resort.
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Post by dmkedm on May 5, 2024 6:26:13 GMT -5
Those resale restrictions are a tough hurdle. My DS, DIL and I are in the throes of deciding whether to buy 150-200 RR points ....they fell in love w/the resort during a couples trip (I got to take care of DGS here at home...win-win for all of us). We are talking about an add-on to a GFV contract we own together. The money will work out....still a few issues to iron out, but we agree they will be smoothed out, and soon. But I am having a LOT of trouble getting past the resale restrictions. DS and DIL want to buy the points because they want an annual family trip to RR (and an annual family trip to anwhere at WDW is appealing to me!). But while I do like RR, I want to vary my resort stays; there's no resort I want to stay at every time. So, no problem given that we've already decided on a direct purchase (despite the price differential)--but the depreciation on the RR contract, should we decide to sell it at some point down the road, is massive. (Currently, direct price--before incentives--is $225PP; I've seen resales for $130PP.)
Plus, leaving aside the financial considerations, I find I'm totally offended by the resale restrictions. I just want no part of them. So, despite my well-known inclination to say "yes"--always--to the (very few) requests my DS makes of me, I'm having trouble committing to an RR purchase--mostly because of the resale restrictions. I can't be alone in this. And the slow sales of DVC's last 3 offerings suggest that there may be "something" to the theory that resale restrictions are a significant barrier to sales.
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Post by dougdisney on May 5, 2024 7:04:19 GMT -5
Just returned from a SSR trip. While waiting for our flight yesterday afternoon, we headed over where the spa was located thinking we would enjoy some quiet time in the lobby. The old spa space has now been turned into offices. A gentleman stopped to talked with us who is in upper DVC management and thru the course of our conversation, I asked the question how the cabins were selling and he said, "not well." I snickered and told him the many problems that I have with them. No washer/dryer His reply: Oh, there's ton of facilities to do laundry in campground. I replied - but it needs to be IN THE UNIT for me. I said that the cabins weren't my idea of a DVC product. He truly believes that people will want these cabins because guests can now bring their pets. I replied that's enough reason for me to never stay in them as I'm allergic. He also truly believes that once the cabins open up for showing that they will sell well. I shook my head and he said, "lets have this conversation a year from now." I'm still shaking my head. He truly believes they are going to attract a certain niche of the market. Still shaking my head. Side note: I did ask about the Poly. He knows but wouldn't divulge anything. I also would have LOVED to use the spa services yesterday but....... There's no way DVC mgt can say that the Cabins are a fail, since they are the ones selling it and having to try and give positivity to the situation. I'm sure there's talk behind the scenes about it being a potential disaster, but who knows... |
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Post by helenabear on May 5, 2024 11:10:34 GMT -5
I would probably stay at SSR more if the spa opened. I mean it's a nice resort but yeah, spa time for me would be so nice. I am with you on the cabins. To be fair, I think the MFs and selling price are killers. It might attract certain family sizes but as a whole the layout is a miss. The location is polarizing at best. I'll be interested to see if it ever picks up. Disney might as well just sell Polynesian now and make some money. Speaking of Polynesian resale prices are through the roof. I just saw a $185 point go full asking in less than a day. There is a July UY there but no 2024 for $175 now. Um wow... I think the ROFR has prices soaring. At this point, you have three options for adding Poly. 1. Buy when presales start.....it will be the best pricing over the course of active sales. 1. Or wait until Poly sells out and resale prices drop a gain. 3. Give up and buy a resale at another resort.
Well 1 & 2 are options. 3 isn't really. 1 is looking to be a better option. A 100 pt contract has lasted 2 days for June UY. No 2024 points. $170/point. I can wait  |
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Post by brp on May 5, 2024 11:28:32 GMT -5
Plus, leaving aside the financial considerations, I find I'm totally offended by the resale restrictions. I just want no part of them. I am not actually offended by them. They make complete sense from DVC's standpoint, and other TS companies do the same thing. It's hard for me to be offended by such a "duh" action as trying to make your main sale more attractive.
With that said, I certainly don't like them. If I did not own grandfathered resale these would disadvantage me, and I'm not in favor of things that disadvantage me, whether or not they are logical things to do. But I'm hard-pressed to be offended by a sound business decision. (And I don't think it's the resale restrictions that are tanking the cabin sales, so I still see this as a wise business decision.)
It's much the same as my not being offended by the charge for G+ when FP+ used to be free. It disadvantages me, so I don't pay for it. But it's a smart decision, one that was obvious for some time, so I'm not at all offended.
Cheers.
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Post by dmkedm on May 5, 2024 11:57:33 GMT -5
Well, perhaps "offended" was the wrong choice of words. I agree with you that were I DVC I'd find the restrictions a smart move--and in time, people won't remember that there used to be a time when you could buy resale w/out restrictions--but unlike some of the other changes you describe (free FPs vs Genie+ for example), this is one I dislike too much to be accepting of it. So I either find a way to accept the restrictions (knowing as I do that chances of them impacting me at all are minimal; any adverse impacts are far more likely to fall on my much younger DS/DIL), or decline to jointly own those RR points w/DS and DIL. I'll figure it out. The appeal of owning points w/my next-generation family may well outweigh my dislike of the resale restrictions. We'll see....
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Post by HifromRI on May 5, 2024 15:43:16 GMT -5
I did not realize there was not a washer and dryer in this 1 bedroom...sigh...
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