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Post by helenabear on Apr 16, 2023 17:02:49 GMT -5
After the announcement about the new Disneyland Tower having resale restrictions, I am guessing now that Poly 2 will be a separate association with resale restrictions too. Why? VGF already had RR..... I've seen this so many times and I honestly am not sure it is a shoe in. I'm not convinced they know for sure either or it could hurt some sales both ways. If they don't, they need to do something about the increase in points for the studios making them the most expensive out of all WDW resorts. |
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Post by mcd on Apr 16, 2023 17:27:14 GMT -5
After the announcement about the new Disneyland Tower having resale restrictions, I am guessing now that Poly 2 will be a separate association with resale restrictions too. Why? VGF already had RR..... I've seen this so many times and I honestly am not sure it is a shoe in. I'm not convinced they know for sure either or it could hurt some sales both ways. If they don't, they need to do something about the increase in points for the studios making them the most expensive out of all WDW resorts. My beef has been the overpriced Bungalows as the only non-studio option. I was so excited to hear about the addition having suites. |
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Post by helenabear on Apr 16, 2023 18:50:31 GMT -5
Why? VGF already had RR..... I've seen this so many times and I honestly am not sure it is a shoe in. I'm not convinced they know for sure either or it could hurt some sales both ways. If they don't, they need to do something about the increase in points for the studios making them the most expensive out of all WDW resorts. My beef has been the overpriced Bungalows as the only non-studio option. I was so excited to hear about the addition having suites. They recently (don't ask which year, I forgot lol) lowered bungalows and raised studios as well. So now they are universally more points per night than VGF. That makes me a bit annoyed but we stay still. We definitely need more room types and they really made a massive mistake not offering them in the first place. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Apr 17, 2023 8:36:39 GMT -5
My beef has been the overpriced Bungalows as the only non-studio option. This had been one of my biggest gripes about the resort from day 1. Disney went cheap - Max profits, with little upfront costs. They did the same thing recently with the new VGF addition. This does not mean the rooms are not nice. It means that Disney invested very little to deliver a product that disrupted the reservation system. |
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Post by ermindy1133 on Apr 17, 2023 9:45:25 GMT -5
This had been one of my biggest gripes about the resort from day 1. Disney went cheap - Max profits, with little upfront costs. They did the same thing recently with the new VGF addition. This does not mean the rooms are not nice. It means that Disney invested very little to deliver a product that disrupted the reservation system. And like us, you tend to prefer 1BR units. So the current Poly layout doesn't really work. Tim could care less if we ever stay there. He's perfectly happy at BRV, AKV, or BWV. But I'm excited to see more options for the Poly lovers out there! I hope that the new addition is part of the existing PVB, and I hope that the new units are amazing. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Apr 17, 2023 9:57:50 GMT -5
I hope that the new addition is part of the existing PVB, and I hope that the new units are amazing. They will be. |
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Post by helenabear on Apr 17, 2023 10:05:06 GMT -5
This had been one of my biggest gripes about the resort from day 1. Disney went cheap - Max profits, with little upfront costs. They did the same thing recently with the new VGF addition. This does not mean the rooms are not nice. It means that Disney invested very little to deliver a product that disrupted the reservation system. And like us, you tend to prefer 1BR units. So the current Poly layout doesn't really work. Tim could care less if we ever stay there. He's perfectly happy at BRV, AKV, or BWV. But I'm excited to see more options for the Poly lovers out there! I hope that the new addition is part of the existing PVB, and I hope that the new units are amazing. Yep to you and Tom We use PVB for our spring trips most, when it's just me and my son. Having 2 showers with us are the bigger consideration. For our usual trips we have done 2 connecting at PVB but it's not the same. We are used to 2 bedrooms. We definitely want/need more space. We want 2 bedroom options. VGF is not for us at all. We all have tried and honestly I'm done staying there. BLT lacks as well - in charm. Part of why we love WL so much. I didn't quote Tom but cutting out the 1 and 2 bedrooms for PVB was cheap and dumb. I am grateful they didn't go as cheap as they did with VGF resort studios. Not to say those rooms aren't lovely but dang that was super cheap. I am unsure what to do about PVB if it does become separate associations but I am hopeful they see the need to have all for everyone under one as they did with SSR and VGF. They need to fix the dang point chart though I also hope the rooms will remain as awesome as Josh D'Amaro claimed when I spoke to him last year. I adore the area though |
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Post by zernin on Apr 17, 2023 10:22:41 GMT -5
Don't forget when BCV was new they told it as a 2042 resort - and that was in 2002, thus only 40 years on that contract, and it sold out quickly. I think for simplicity sake, it is easier for them to have one expiration date. It puts poly within the 40 year span. Anything less than 40 years is a huge no, but within 40 it is manageable. In 2002 DVC was selling direct for ~$80 per point. In today's dollars after inflation, that's about ~$135 per point, but Disney is selling PVB at $250 direct. Even if they drop to match RIV that's still at $217 per point. The price has outstripped inflation by quite a bit, meaning the buy in premium for missing those 8 years of visits stings a bit more today then it did in 2002, even though it will have a couple extra years compared to BCV. Combine that with buying into the Bungalow point balance problem, and you would have to be crazy to buy in to PVB direct in the old association for the new tower. I won't even pretend to predict what Disney will decide to do here. Even if they didn't build a single dedicated studio in the new tower (you know they are at least doing lock offs, to good of an accounting trick for them to skip out on), I can't see the new tower being enough to balance out the PVB studio point problem. Do they think enough people will look past these problems and buy direct regardless? The new tower will definitely boost PVB resale prices if it's in the existing association, and I think plenty of existing PVB owners will take the price boost as an opportunity to exit, and most existing members will probably prefer resale add-ons to direct if given the opportunity. Does Disney see more value in shaving 8 years off their obligation to owners for the new tower, or not having to compete with an existing resale market for sales that will put significant downward pressure on what they can charge and still move points? |
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Post by helenabear on Apr 17, 2023 10:47:32 GMT -5
Don't forget when BCV was new they told it as a 2042 resort - and that was in 2002, thus only 40 years on that contract, and it sold out quickly. I think for simplicity sake, it is easier for them to have one expiration date. It puts poly within the 40 year span. Anything less than 40 years is a huge no, but within 40 it is manageable. In 2002 DVC was selling direct for ~$80 per point. In today's dollars after inflation, that's about ~$135 per point, but Disney is selling PVB at $250 direct. Even if they drop to match RIV that's still at $217 per point. The price has outstripped inflation by quite a bit, meaning the buy in premium for missing those 8 years of visits stings a bit more today then it did in 2002, even though it will have a couple extra years compared to BCV. Combine that with buying into the Bungalow point balance problem, and you would have to be crazy to buy in to PVB direct in the old association for the new tower. I won't even pretend to predict what Disney will decide to do here. Even if they didn't build a single dedicated studio in the new tower (you know they are at least doing lock offs, to good of an accounting trick for them to skip out on), I can't see the new tower being enough to balance out the PVB studio point problem. Do they think enough people will look past these problems and buy direct regardless? The new tower will definitely boost PVB resale prices if it's in the existing association, and I think plenty of existing PVB owners will take the price boost as an opportunity to exit, and most existing members will probably prefer resale add-ons to direct if given the opportunity. Does Disney see more value in shaving 8 years off their obligation to owners for the new tower, or not having to compete with an existing resale market for sales that will put significant downward pressure on what they can charge and still move points? It will be enough to drop the 2 or so point they changed and not have to raise points for bungalows. I do not follow your line of thoughts with selling PVB. Resale prices probably won't boost as direct prices will lower. I'm looking to add to Polynesian no matter what when announced. I'd sooner sell my OKW than PVB if different associations. Talking about prices for inflation is irrelevant because prices increased beyond inflation at Disney. |
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Apr 17, 2023 11:42:44 GMT -5
And like us, you tend to prefer 1BR units. So the current Poly layout doesn't really work. Tim could care less if we ever stay there. He's perfectly happy at BRV, AKV, or BWV. But I'm excited to see more options for the Poly lovers out there! I hope that the new addition is part of the existing PVB, and I hope that the new units are amazing. Yep to you and Tom We use PVB for our spring trips most, when it's just me and my son. Having 2 showers with us are the bigger consideration. For our usual trips we have done 2 connecting at PVB but it's not the same. We are used to 2 bedrooms. We definitely want/need more space. We want 2 bedroom options. VGF is not for us at all. We all have tried and honestly I'm done staying there. BLT lacks as well - in charm. Part of why we love WL so much. I didn't quote Tom but cutting out the 1 and 2 bedrooms for PVB was cheap and dumb. I am grateful they didn't go as cheap as they did with VGF resort studios. Not to say those rooms aren't lovely but dang that was super cheap. I am unsure what to do about PVB if it does become separate associations but I am hopeful they see the need to have all for everyone under one as they did with SSR and VGF. They need to fix the dang point chart though I also hope the rooms will remain as awesome as Josh D'Amaro claimed when I spoke to him last year. I adore the area though I’ll say it for you….Yes the new VGF resort studios are a CHEAP refurb!  Such a cheap refurb, one of the reasons I sold all my VGF points. |
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Post by helenabear on Apr 17, 2023 13:54:39 GMT -5
Yep to you and Tom We use PVB for our spring trips most, when it's just me and my son. Having 2 showers with us are the bigger consideration. For our usual trips we have done 2 connecting at PVB but it's not the same. We are used to 2 bedrooms. We definitely want/need more space. We want 2 bedroom options. VGF is not for us at all. We all have tried and honestly I'm done staying there. BLT lacks as well - in charm. Part of why we love WL so much. I didn't quote Tom but cutting out the 1 and 2 bedrooms for PVB was cheap and dumb. I am grateful they didn't go as cheap as they did with VGF resort studios. Not to say those rooms aren't lovely but dang that was super cheap. I am unsure what to do about PVB if it does become separate associations but I am hopeful they see the need to have all for everyone under one as they did with SSR and VGF. They need to fix the dang point chart though I also hope the rooms will remain as awesome as Josh D'Amaro claimed when I spoke to him last year. I adore the area though I’ll say it for you….Yes the new VGF resort studios are a CHEAP refurb! Such a cheap refurb, one of the reasons I sold all my VGF points. They were a refresh plain and simple. Not a big one either. At least PVB stripped to the studs. I think even the refresh at PVB in 2021 were better done. |
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Post by rowrbazzle on Apr 17, 2023 15:35:52 GMT -5
After the announcement about the new Disneyland Tower having resale restrictions, I am guessing now that Poly 2 will be a separate association with resale restrictions too. Why? VGF already had RR..... I've seen this so many times and I honestly am not sure it is a shoe in. I'm not convinced they know for sure either or it could hurt some sales both ways. If they don't, they need to do something about the increase in points for the studios making them the most expensive out of all WDW resorts. What are the resale restrictions at VGF? |
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Post by helenabear on Apr 17, 2023 17:09:56 GMT -5
Why? VGF already had RR..... I've seen this so many times and I honestly am not sure it is a shoe in. I'm not convinced they know for sure either or it could hurt some sales both ways. If they don't, they need to do something about the increase in points for the studios making them the most expensive out of all WDW resorts. What are the resale restrictions at VGF? Same as they've always been. Resales cannot be used at the new resorts, but the resort studios fall under old association. So VGF resales all work everywhere but RR. |
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Post by mcd on Apr 17, 2023 17:26:29 GMT -5
Don't forget when BCV was new they told it as a 2042 resort - and that was in 2002, thus only 40 years on that contract, and it sold out quickly. I think for simplicity sake, it is easier for them to have one expiration date. It puts poly within the 40 year span. Anything less than 40 years is a huge no, but within 40 it is manageable. In 2002 DVC was selling direct for ~$80 per point. In today's dollars after inflation, that's about ~$135 per point, but Disney is selling PVB at $250 direct. Even if they drop to match RIV that's still at $217 per point. The price has outstripped inflation by quite a bit, meaning the buy in premium for missing those 8 years of visits stings a bit more today then it did in 2002, even though it will have a couple extra years compared to BCV. Combine that with buying into the Bungalow point balance problem, and you would have to be crazy to buy in to PVB direct in the old association for the new tower. I won't even pretend to predict what Disney will decide to do here. Even if they didn't build a single dedicated studio in the new tower (you know they are at least doing lock offs, to good of an accounting trick for them to skip out on), I can't see the new tower being enough to balance out the PVB studio point problem. Do they think enough people will look past these problems and buy direct regardless? The new tower will definitely boost PVB resale prices if it's in the existing association, and I think plenty of existing PVB owners will take the price boost as an opportunity to exit, and most existing members will probably prefer resale add-ons to direct if given the opportunity. Does Disney see more value in shaving 8 years off their obligation to owners for the new tower, or not having to compete with an existing resale market for sales that will put significant downward pressure on what they can charge and still move points? I don’t see how it doesn’t help fix the issue if the new addition is included with existing Poly. You are adding a bunch of new room types to the existing pool. If there a 2 bedroom suite option like I have enjoyed at BLT, AKL, & BWV, I will be very happy. |
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Post by helenabear on Apr 17, 2023 18:33:55 GMT -5
In 2002 DVC was selling direct for ~$80 per point. In today's dollars after inflation, that's about ~$135 per point, but Disney is selling PVB at $250 direct. Even if they drop to match RIV that's still at $217 per point. The price has outstripped inflation by quite a bit, meaning the buy in premium for missing those 8 years of visits stings a bit more today then it did in 2002, even though it will have a couple extra years compared to BCV. Combine that with buying into the Bungalow point balance problem, and you would have to be crazy to buy in to PVB direct in the old association for the new tower. I won't even pretend to predict what Disney will decide to do here. Even if they didn't build a single dedicated studio in the new tower (you know they are at least doing lock offs, to good of an accounting trick for them to skip out on), I can't see the new tower being enough to balance out the PVB studio point problem. Do they think enough people will look past these problems and buy direct regardless? The new tower will definitely boost PVB resale prices if it's in the existing association, and I think plenty of existing PVB owners will take the price boost as an opportunity to exit, and most existing members will probably prefer resale add-ons to direct if given the opportunity. Does Disney see more value in shaving 8 years off their obligation to owners for the new tower, or not having to compete with an existing resale market for sales that will put significant downward pressure on what they can charge and still move points? I don’t see how it doesn’t help fix the issue if the new addition is included with existing Poly. You are adding a bunch of new room types to the existing pool. If there a 2 bedroom suite option like I have enjoyed at BLT, AKL, & BWV, I will be very happy. Just as a reference almost 2 million points were added to VGF alone for the increase. PVB has 4 million points currently and if the guestimates are similar to what they are saying, could about double the number easily . Definitely room to spread. |
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