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Post by helenabear on Feb 8, 2024 7:39:51 GMT -5
Well I know some who just went for a day and felt it was too complicated. We tried to help before hand and were hoping to get the partner interested in Disney more. Total bust. Again I think the people here who are saying "you don't need to plan" really are just so good with going often and skipping if needed. Those on once in a lifetime or rare trips are not. It's a much bigger deal. Everyone here who is "so good with going often", got their start taking "once in a lifetime or rare trips".  You don't need to get someone interested in Disney more. That'd be like thinking you can teach them about... beekeeping... or model trains... or whatever... and just cuz you want it doesn't mean they will love it like you do. They will develop the passion for Disney if it's right for them. Let them go. Share with them what you love; not what they have to do. Inspire them more than make it complicated. "If you don't go at 7am, wait in line for the park, book this when you walk in, and diligently watch your phone to book at [blah blah]" is terrible advice. Why not... "go here, we love it because... and if you go early, you can get on a couple rides easy... then you can get lunch and get back to the hotel because the pool at your hotel has... I'm guessing G+ isn't what you love about Disney. If it's not, then why focus your conversations on that? It's like when someone asks you how was your day and you talk about the traffic. If you had 5 min to talk to someone about Disney would talk about the part you like least? Or how you love the people, the atmosphere, this ride in particular, and that one experience that made you so happy you still go back as an adult... My 1st trip was in 1982. Second was in 1983, so no it was never a once in a lifetime trip for us. Nevermind in 1982 we had 1 park only. I took over planning in 1995 where we still didn't havs all the parks we have now. I've been doing this a while. I'm the planner in the family. Like entirely too. We are not commandos but do what we want when we want because we go so often. Even now I still am annoyed. Helping our band plan a trip is a huge hot mess. I don't look forward to trying it again 2 years later. You missed the major aspect of the post I bolded... the friend wanted their spouse to get more interested in Disney so they could go more together. That's what failed. I don't give two snits if they like it or not. I was helping a friend with questions. The friend failed to get their spouse to love Disney as he did. Friend also realized they didn't like the current Disney craziness so wasn't as upset. You know what they say about assumptions, you can make an... well yeah. You couldn't be further from being wrong than what you were on what happened. They said what they wanted to do, not the other way. FOMO is real and even when we discouraged the people from trying to do it all, they are adults and made choices. Wound up saying Disney was too much to figure out and decided to drop the idea of making it a regular trip. So many friends ask how to do it all and my response is always to temper expectations and maybe whittle the must dos to a few that are high up. Oh and I like G+ when I use it. I don't always because I don't always need it. You clearly don't agree and I don't care to convince you, but I stand by what I said. Though will add another thought to it. Often those who say it's easy go a lot or they are apologists for Disney. I'm definitely not the latter and enjoyed MO because majority weren't either and not clouded by rose colored glasses. |
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Post by stellabutterman on Feb 8, 2024 9:07:13 GMT -5
I didn't realize how stressful the planning was until I started helping DS and DSF plan for their honeymoon at WDW. DS, a foodie, has been many times, and he is stressing about when to make dining reservations. DSF hasn't been since she was 5, so I got her the most recent edition of the unofficial guide just as a reference. I've taken care of their hotel reservations, flights, transportation from the airport, tickets, and grocery delivery just to make it easier for them.
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Post by brp on Feb 8, 2024 14:57:40 GMT -5
Well I know some who just went for a day and felt it was too complicated. We tried to help before hand and were hoping to get the partner interested in Disney more. Total bust. Again I think the people here who are saying "you don't need to plan" really are just so good with going often and skipping if needed. Those on once in a lifetime or rare trips are not. It's a much bigger deal. Everyone here who is "so good with going often", got their start taking "once in a lifetime or rare trips". You don't need to get someone interested in Disney more. That'd be like thinking you can teach them about... beekeeping... or model trains... or whatever... and just cuz you want it doesn't mean they will love it like you do. They will develop the passion for Disney if it's right for them. Let them go. Share with them what you love; not what they have to do. Inspire them more than make it complicated. "If you don't go at 7am, wait in line for the park, book this when you walk in, and diligently watch your phone to book at [blah blah]" is terrible advice. Why not... "go here, we love it because... and if you go early, you can get on a couple rides easy... then you can get lunch and get back to the hotel because the pool at your hotel has... I'm guessing G+ isn't what you love about Disney. If it's not, then why focus your conversations on that? It's like when someone asks you how was your day and you talk about the traffic. If you had 5 min to talk to someone about Disney would talk about the part you like least? Or how you love the people, the atmosphere, this ride in particular, and that one experience that made you so happy you still go back as an adult...
Again, spot on. We view "doing Disney" through our lens and all the things we know...and how hard it would be for someone who doesn't yet know all we know. And, yeah, that part can be complicated. But that's the lens of the frequent visitor, not the occasional.
If they wanted to do everything we do, the learning curve is steep. Maybe, just maybe, the don't. And us convincing them that this is what they should want and this is how to do it may not be ideal.
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on Feb 8, 2024 19:06:26 GMT -5
Everyone here who is "so good with going often", got their start taking "once in a lifetime or rare trips". You don't need to get someone interested in Disney more. That'd be like thinking you can teach them about... beekeeping... or model trains... or whatever... and just cuz you want it doesn't mean they will love it like you do. They will develop the passion for Disney if it's right for them. Let them go. Share with them what you love; not what they have to do. Inspire them more than make it complicated. "If you don't go at 7am, wait in line for the park, book this when you walk in, and diligently watch your phone to book at [blah blah]" is terrible advice. Why not... "go here, we love it because... and if you go early, you can get on a couple rides easy... then you can get lunch and get back to the hotel because the pool at your hotel has... I'm guessing G+ isn't what you love about Disney. If it's not, then why focus your conversations on that? It's like when someone asks you how was your day and you talk about the traffic. If you had 5 min to talk to someone about Disney would talk about the part you like least? Or how you love the people, the atmosphere, this ride in particular, and that one experience that made you so happy you still go back as an adult... Again, spot on. We view "doing Disney" through our lens and all the things we know...and how hard it would be for someone who doesn't yet know all we know. And, yeah, that part can be complicated. But that's the lens of the frequent visitor, not the occasional. If they wanted to do everything we do, the learning curve is steep. Maybe, just maybe, the don't. And us convincing them that this is what they should want and this is how to do it may not be ideal. Cheers. As I said the friend wanted to do it all. I cautioned otherwise. I don't even want to do it all and I know it's too much for others. So again in my specific comment that this was about, no, I didn't push. I suggested toning it down and they did what they wanted and hated it in the end. So no, in this case it wasn't spot on - not even close. Those of you pushing this type of mindset are forgetting how much the internet creates craziness with trips. FOMO is real and it creates a ton of stress. Or again that meme I posted wouldn't circulate the way it does. We find it easier because we know it all. Those who want to do it all, well it's too much. |
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Post by fuzzylogic on Feb 8, 2024 20:37:40 GMT -5
I've been doing this a while. I'm the planner in the family. Ok, ditto. More or less. You missed the major aspect of the post I bolded... the friend wanted their spouse to get more interested in Disney so they could go more together. Then for heaven's sakes don't tell them they only don't love it cuz they didn't put in enough work! That's absurd. Find something they connect with and show them something that brings them joy. My spouse has come to love Disney too, but we each found things that appeal to us, and they're *not* the same.  I think that's one really neat thing about Disney that it appeals to a 5-year old, 12-, 16-, and even a 20-something. Plus me, my wife, friends, really something for everyone. Fun is not a uniform list. So many friends ask how to do it all and my response is always to temper expectations and maybe whittle the must dos to a few that are high up. Temper expectations LOL. I just don't get this idea of you love Disney so much right? Like it's a passion of yours? Yet you can't express that to someone in a way that doesn't start with... "it won't be as great as you'd like because... so get ready to be disappointed because you won't get as much done as me unless you... [long list]" You clearly don't agree and I don't care to convince you, but I stand by what I said. Though will add another thought to it. Often those who say it's easy go a lot or they are apologists for Disney. I'm definitely not the latter and enjoyed MO because majority weren't either and not clouded by rose colored glasses. No one's an apologist, nor wearing rose colored glasses. Not sure why these remarks. It's a forum, and we're sharing our thoughts. I'm cool w that. ...forgetting how much the internet creates craziness with trips. Like this clickbait "article". |
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Post by helenabear on Feb 8, 2024 20:46:04 GMT -5
I've been doing this a while. I'm the planner in the family. Ok, ditto. More or less. You missed the major aspect of the post I bolded... the friend wanted their spouse to get more interested in Disney so they could go more together. Then for heaven's sakes don't tell them they only don't love it cuz they didn't put in enough work! That's absurd. Find something they connect with and show them something that brings them joy. My spouse has come to love Disney too, but we each found things that appeal to us, and they're *not* the same. I think that's one really neat thing about Disney that it appeals to a 5-year old, 12-, 16-, and even a 20-something. Plus me, my wife, friends, really something for everyone. Fun is not a uniform list. So many friends ask how to do it all and my response is always to temper expectations and maybe whittle the must dos to a few that are high up. Temper expectations LOL. I just don't get this idea of you love Disney so much right? Like it's a passion of yours? Yet you can't express that to someone in a way that doesn't start with... "it won't be as great as you'd like because... so get ready to be disappointed because you won't get as much done as me unless you... [long list]" You clearly don't agree and I don't care to convince you, but I stand by what I said. Though will add another thought to it. Often those who say it's easy go a lot or they are apologists for Disney. I'm definitely not the latter and enjoyed MO because majority weren't either and not clouded by rose colored glasses. No one's an apologist, nor wearing rose colored glasses. Not sure why these remarks. It's a forum, and we're sharing our thoughts. I'm cool w that. What in the world are you talking about? Did you even read what I wrote? They already had their trip. They came back unhappy. They hated how busy it was. How hard it was to do things. Nothing about their trip was good. These were two adults as well. I said zero about how much work they put into it and I have no idea where you came up with this! Tempering expectations in that they cannot do everything all they want to do in one day. 4 parks in one day is tough. So is 3. So yeah, make a good list of what you want to do and do it. Don't expect to do 3 sit down meals and 20 rides in a day. Me thinks you have never heard what people want to do and hope to do in one 4 or 5 day trip. With that I'm out of this thread with you. |
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Post by fuzzylogic on Feb 8, 2024 21:20:03 GMT -5
They already had their trip. They came back unhappy. They hated how busy it was. How hard it was to do things. Nothing about their trip was good. Ok so... #1 theme park in the world and they're not into crowds. Ok I get it. That's a bit jabby but still true. Find something they love for next time, if there is a next time. Find things to do that are less about putting them in the middle of crowds. If they had come back and talked about how they loved it would you tell them they wore rose-colored glasses and it's not really that great? Tempering expectations in that they cannot do everything all they want to do in one day. 4 parks in one day is tough. Yeah okay this is in left field here. If you're advising on how to do multiple parks in a day you've long since missed when we loved being at one park. 20 rides in a day -- that's stuff you think about when you've gone 50 times. I think you forget what it was like to love being there. It was never about 20 rides. Not in the 80s, not in the 90s. Do you remember? Space Mountain line used to fill Space Mountain! We waited an hour for it when I was 7 and today it's about the same. With that I'm out of this thread with you. Alright. If you are going in June, July, or Columbus Wknd this year I'll buy you a drink at the Baseline to continue it. I can talk Disney all day long. |
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Post by brp on Feb 8, 2024 21:41:22 GMT -5
Again, spot on. We view "doing Disney" through our lens and all the things we know...and how hard it would be for someone who doesn't yet know all we know. And, yeah, that part can be complicated. But that's the lens of the frequent visitor, not the occasional. If they wanted to do everything we do, the learning curve is steep. Maybe, just maybe, the don't. And us convincing them that this is what they should want and this is how to do it may not be ideal. Cheers. Those of you pushing this type of mindset are forgetting how much the internet creates craziness with trips. FOMO is real and it creates a ton of stress. Or again that meme I posted wouldn't circulate the way it does. We find it easier because we know it all. Those who want to do it all, well it's too much. Then people really need to stop being influenced by artificially induced FOMO on the internet and think more independently. Ain't easy, but it is possible.
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on Feb 8, 2024 22:06:56 GMT -5
Those of you pushing this type of mindset are forgetting how much the internet creates craziness with trips. FOMO is real and it creates a ton of stress. Or again that meme I posted wouldn't circulate the way it does. We find it easier because we know it all. Those who want to do it all, well it's too much. Then people really need to stop being influenced by artificially induced FOMO on the internet and think more independently. Ain't easy, but it is possible. Cheers. Yeah it's not easy at all. I can tell you in my line of work we definitely see the influencers doing their magic. People want to believe that moissanite and lab diamonds are popular due to eco reasons. Size for cost is what is really driving it though. Can't seem to get away from it. Reminds me also of the people who are constantly asking for how do you get pixie dust? Like they want to force the pixie dust on a trip to happen. I'm sure that is all started by those posting on the internet and showing all their magical things that have happened. Really has kind of distorted views of what people should expect. You can find me chilling for a good portion of the day anywhere I go. Except now. I'm over looking at costumes  |
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Post by mcd on Feb 9, 2024 9:05:17 GMT -5
I go hardcore with the planning for my family of six. We spend a lot of money despite the fact that we are DVC and passholders. I have kids ranging from 7 to 15. We all still like to ride lots of rides, shop, eat meals and treats, and enjoy experiences. I have debated this many times, but I shell out for LLs and Genie+. It is certainly expensive for a group of 6 people. I have carefully tracked line wait times and how much time we save with careful planning, getting up at 6:55AM every day on vacation to start booking, etc. Based on our habits we save roughly 4-5 hours of line time. If your goal is to maximize time in the park, it can be very confusing, time consuming, and stressful to learn the tricks and best methods for Genie+, etc. However, that is all a VOLUNTARY system. If you want to show up and decide that day what you are doing, you can forgo that extra cost, time, and frustrations. You may not get to experience everything you wanted. You may have to wait in long lines sometimes. But the point is Disney gives you that choice. Also, we all have our own interests and circumstances, so articles like that do a poor job of taking all this into consideration.
Do I wish we just had the old FastPass system? Hell yes I do. But I try to focus on how to get around a problem rather than complain about what I cannot control. So I spend more money and time planning. It does cause more stress for me, but my family and I get to ride every ride we want to and rarely use the standby lines, and we get the dining reservations we want as well with good planning and trickery. My reasoning is that we spend so much money to be there and have a limited number of days at Disney each year (we live 1,000 miles away), so planning and paying an extra premium to save us hours each day and allowing us to ride exactly what we want is worth it for me. But I do understand we all have our own budgets, preferences, etc. This is what works best for my family and me. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
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Post by mcd on Feb 9, 2024 9:08:37 GMT -5
One more thing I will say is that these people who are making a one time only or "Once In A Lifetime" trip to Disney really, really, really need to research and/or talk to people who have been there so they have reasonable expectations. I TOTALLY understand how people could be disappointed because of the wrong expectations. My response to that is that most people don't drop big dollars on any purchase without doing a little research, so why would an expensive vacation be any different?
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Post by jedimom3 on Feb 10, 2024 8:37:04 GMT -5
A lady I work with was hit by the complexities of planning Disney this last year. Yeah, it was 100 percent an example of NO planning whatsoever, and just thinking they could show up. Granted, park reservations were still a thing, thankfully are gone for a lot of people
Like in early Dec, she mentioned she and her family were going to take her niece for 1 day at Disney, the week after Christmas, just to surprise...none of them have been. I didn't want to get into her business, she didn't ask for any guidance, we're not super close, but I did mention, 'you know it's crazy busy then....' Long story short, they didn't make a park reservation, didn't know you had to, etc. etc. so they didn't go. Even if they had, I"m sure with no planning plus those insane crowds, would've not resulted in a fun time. But they're now planning for the summer, and I think they'll at least put some research time in....hope so.
Even though we go all the time, we're not like those people with the once/lifetime trip, I did get a taste of that a couple years ago when DS and I only had 2 day tickets. I would've 100 percent been paying for everything I could to skip lines, etc, with that little amount of time.
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Post by bakerworld on Feb 10, 2024 9:56:05 GMT -5
Our eldest's neighbor caught me Thursday. She's taking her 4y grandchildren to WDW in March and wanted to know my tips. She said that it's so expensive she's only doing this once. Well, my first tip would be that the kids were too young but I restrained myself. I told her most people would not like my tips, which were to return to the room every day around noon to eat and use the pool, returning in the evening for the fireworks. She said when she took her kids they were there all day. I told her my other tip was to remember it was a holiday and not an endurance match. Oh well. They're staying at OKW = buses, buses, buses. They're 10 family members going. I told her my other tip was to not stay together because it will be frustrating. I did warn her she wouldn't like my tips. LOL
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I think that's one really neat thing about Disney that it appeals to a 5-year old, 12-, 16-, and even a 20-something. Plus me, my wife, friends, really something for everyone. Fun is not a uniform list.
