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Post by lovindvc on Feb 28, 2023 20:09:06 GMT -5
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Post by brp on Feb 28, 2023 20:20:28 GMT -5
We will see how much of the control he voted himself he will actually exercise. This will be an interesting sociological experiment.
Cheers.
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Post by lovindvc on Feb 28, 2023 20:35:46 GMT -5
brp you have not been paying attention
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Feb 28, 2023 20:53:31 GMT -5
I have never heard of this “ Intelligencer”. No way I am giving any credence to this publication. Nothing to see here…..
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Post by brp on Feb 28, 2023 20:59:25 GMT -5
brp you have not been paying attention That is certainly one of several possibilities. Go with what works for ya.
Cheers.
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Post by lovindvc on Feb 28, 2023 21:03:49 GMT -5
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Post by donalddork on Feb 28, 2023 22:22:34 GMT -5
I am watching this, and as a Libertarian I think both sides are wrong. Disney should have not gotten involved in politics and the FL legislature should not have retaliated. Blame on both sides. This is something that should never have happened. Just my opinion.
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Post by oldhalfelf on Mar 1, 2023 0:19:40 GMT -5
Relatedly, at 6:27 PM ET today (2/28/2023), The Wall Street Journal posted an opinion piece by Gov. Ron DeSantis. www.wsj.com/articles/why-i-stood-up-to-disney-florida-woke-corporatism-seaworld-universal-esg-parents-choice-education-defa2506?mod=hp_opin_pos_6#cxrecs_sIt does not appear to me that the opinion piece went anywhere near as far as the New York magazine headline. However, the opinion under Mr. DeSantis' name today contains some noteworthy lines, including this peroration: "When corporations try to use their economic power to advance a woke agenda, they become political, and not merely economic, actors. In such an environment, reflexively deferring to big business effectively surrenders the political battlefield to the militant left. Having private companies wield de facto public power isn’t in the best interests of most Americans. "Woke ideology is a form of cultural Marxism. Leaders must stand up and fight back when big corporations make the mistake, as Disney did, of using their economic might to advance a political agenda. We are making Florida the state where the economy flourishes because we are the state where woke goes to die." Politics famously makes strange bedfellows. The American left howled over the decision of the U. S. Supreme Court in Citizens United v. FEC, 558 U.S. 310 (2010). So too may Mr. DeSantis before all is said and done. Among other things, Justice Kennedy's under-appreciated opinion for the majority in that case stated "By suppressing the speech of manifold corporations, both for-profit and nonprofit, the Government prevents their voices and viewpoints from reaching the public and advising voters on which persons or entities are hostile to their interests. Factions will necessarily form in our Republic, but the remedy of “destroying the liberty” of some factions is “worse than the disease.” The Federalist No. 10, p. 130 (B. Wright ed. 1961) (J. Madison). Factions should be checked by permitting them all to speak, see ibid., and by entrusting the people to judge what is true and what is false." Also: "There is simply no support for the view that the First Amendment, as originally understood, would permit the suppression of political speech by media corporations. The Framers may not have anticipated modern business and media corporations. .... Yet television networks and major newspapers owned by media corporations have become the most important means of mass communication in modern times. The First Amendment was certainly not understood to condone the suppression of political speech in society’s most salient media. .... The great debates between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists over our founding document were published and expressed in the most important means of mass communication of that era—newspapers owned by individuals. .... At the founding, speech was open, comprehensive, and vital to society’s definition of itself; there were no limits on the sources of speech and knowledge. .... The Framers may have been unaware of certain types of speakers or forms of communication, but that does not mean that those speakers and media are entitled to less First Amendment protection than those types of speakers and media that provided the means of communicating political ideas when the Bill of Rights was adopted." It is interesting to compare Mr. DeSantis' statements -- "When corporations try to use their economic power to advance a woke agenda, they become political, and not merely economic, actors" and "Leaders must stand up and fight back when big corporations make the mistake, as Disney did, of using their economic might to advance a political agenda" -- with Justice Kennedy's opinion for the Court. Like Fangorn the Ent in The Two Towers, who was "...not altogether on anybody's side....", I am not totally pro-woke or anti-woke. I am, however, pro-Bill of Rights.
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Post by helenabear on Mar 1, 2023 5:57:04 GMT -5
Ooof be kind here to all.
Bubba Chapek has no ways with words. Politically he aligns with DeSantis, Iger does not. Iger knows how to balance words better though. But when CMs cried for support from the company, Bubba was an idiot in how he spoke and ticked off his politically aligned bear. Disney has always been political but better spoken CEOs made you miss it. This is all dumb as crap. End of story. I hate politicians and politics which is why I refuse to align with any party.
But again please be nice about discussing please. I know we have some very opposite minded people here. No one will change another's mind.
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Post by brp on Mar 1, 2023 9:55:37 GMT -5
Disney has always been political but better spoken CEOs made you miss it. Best statement in the entire thread.
Cheers.
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Post by Brian5581 on Mar 1, 2023 16:21:06 GMT -5
Ooof be kind here to all. Bubba Chapek has no ways with words. Politically he aligns with DeSantis, Iger does not. Iger knows how to balance words better though. But when CMs cried for support from the company, Bubba was an idiot in how he spoke and ticked off his politically aligned bear. Disney has always been political but better spoken CEOs made you miss it. This is all dumb as crap. End of story. I hate politicians and politics which is why I refuse to align with any party. But again please be nice about discussing please. I know we have some very opposite minded people here. No one will change another's mind. Very well said. Agreed completely.
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Post by Wiltony on Mar 1, 2023 18:32:18 GMT -5
Yeah it's frustrating.
1) A company weighing in a political issue = okay (they do it all the time) 2) A government re-evaluating a special district = also ok (they do it all the time) 3) A government re-evaluating a special district as a result of a company weighing in on a political issue = not okay
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Post by FessParker1 on Mar 1, 2023 19:54:58 GMT -5
Yeah it's frustrating. 1) A company weighing in a political issue = okay (they do it all the time) 2) A government re-evaluating a special district = also ok (they do it all the time) 3) A government re-evaluating a special district as a result of a company weighing in on a political issue = not okay 4) Government canceling a special tax district = more red tape, fees and higher maintenance fees for DVC.
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Post by skywatcher1206 on Mar 1, 2023 21:39:08 GMT -5
Very scary stuff when free speech is only protected when it is something that the government wants you to say.
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Post by john2247 on Mar 2, 2023 7:58:10 GMT -5
Ooof be kind here to all. Bubba Chapek has no ways with words. Politically he aligns with DeSantis, Iger does not. Iger knows how to balance words better though. But when CMs cried for support from the company, Bubba was an idiot in how he spoke and ticked off his politically aligned bear. Disney has always been political but better spoken CEOs made you miss it. This is all dumb as crap. End of story. I hate politicians and politics which is why I refuse to align with any party. Well Said!!
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