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Post by Eeyorelover22 on Apr 18, 2023 5:07:20 GMT -5
I don’t believe it will just be Disney with the ride inspections. I went back and watched the conference on YouTube. DeSantis clarified in the Q&A at the end that it would only be large theme parks in Special Districts, so this would only apply to Disney. Sea World, Universal and Busch Gardens would continue to self-inspect. So much for all the talk of “level playing field.” And I loved the local representative who basically promised that she intended that WDW as we know it will “die.” I can’t speak to any other than Universal. I don’t know about the others and I don’t care enough to look them up. Mostly, because it won’t change anything. “Universal Orlando sits in a portion of a special district called the Orlando Community Redevelopment Agency.” I read an article about how improvements to I-4 helped the park, but ultimately traffic on I-4. I don’t know if it’s the same as RCID. I was curious about the express lanes in the Orlando area. From some Disney newsletter email, it stated that parks that employ more than 1000 people are all exempt so I’d assume that’s what they are talking about changing. |
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Post by john2247 on Apr 18, 2023 6:29:40 GMT -5
Sad. The way this is going neither side will be a winner.
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Post by SuzanneSLO on Apr 18, 2023 7:57:57 GMT -5
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Post by SuzanneSLO on Apr 18, 2023 8:15:55 GMT -5
DeSantis clarified in the Q&A at the end that it would only be large theme parks in Special Districts, so this would only apply to Disney. Sea World, Universal and Busch Gardens would continue to self-inspect. So much for all the talk of “level playing field.” And I loved the local representative who basically promised that she intended that WDW as we know it will “die.” I can’t speak to any other than Universal. I don’t know about the others and I don’t care enough to look them up. Mostly, because it won’t change anything. “Universal Orlando sits in a portion of a special district called the Orlando Community Redevelopment Agency.” I read an article about how improvements to I-4 helped the park, but ultimately traffic on I-4. I don’t know if it’s the same as RCID. I was curious about the express lanes in the Orlando area. From some Disney newsletter email, it stated that parks that employ more than 1000 people are all exempt so I’d assume that’s what they are talking about changing. At this time, the legislation has not yet been drafted, so it’s the legal equivalent of vaporware. But the Q&A made it clear it was only meant to change the rules for Disney. They can do this by having the law apply only to special districts formed before 1969, because apparently after 54 years Special Districts can begin to see rot in their foundations. Disneyland is subject to CA laws with respect to public safety. I recall a bit of a dust up years ago when the fire Marshall required EXIT signs added to attractions because it “broke” the scene. Do WDW attractions already have such signage? |
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Post by brp on Apr 18, 2023 8:55:37 GMT -5
So where is Iger in all of this? Isn’t he supposed to be the “ negotiator “? Iger has recently offered to meet with DeSantis several times, at least it has been report several times not sure if they were different offers or the same reported at different times. DeSantis has no reason to settle this as long as it gets him national press, he needs to play to his base.
I agree that DeSantis has little reason to negotiate. He's getting what he wants from this.
From the Disney standpoint, look at what they did when this first broke. They were quiet when this all happened, appearing to be defeated. Then they unleashed the tactic that completely defused (for the time being) DeSantis' actions. They just seem to be getting things done without the grandstanding and bluster. This is why Iger has the job and not Chapek.
Cheers.
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Post by henrycpa on Apr 18, 2023 13:31:33 GMT -5
I think the bottom line here is me pointing out Disney is just as guilty as being self-serving and uncaring of the public as people here are accusing Florida State legislature being. The only difference is Florida State legislature was elected by the people of Florida. So really what people are mad at are the people of Florida. I think people are choosing the Disney side here solely out of a bias for Disney. Understandable since we are all DVC owners. We love Disney. And it's hard to step back and take an objective view. Bravo. Well said. And it is understandable. We all overprotect our brand biases. But in the end, I do not like any Government that takes advantage of a situation against Joe Citizen and I do not like any corporation that takes advantage of Joe Citizen. When they try to take advantage of each other it gets messy. I will say this, If I was Universal and Sea World I would have done more than complain about Disney's built in advantage long ago. |
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Post by henrycpa on Apr 18, 2023 13:34:32 GMT -5
Honestly I think the only reason why people are supporting Disney in this on this thread is because they have a bias towards Disney. Insert any other company and I think the same people would be crying foul. Clearly Disney is trying to pull a fast one over the state. On the one hand they claim everything was open in public and on the other hand they say they had no records to back that up? Yeah pull the other one. It's because they're being punished (in an infantile and likely futile manner) for speaking out against asinine injustice and bigotry.
Others may have different reasons.
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on Apr 18, 2023 13:36:39 GMT -5
It's because they're being punished (in an infantile and likely futile manner) for speaking out against asinine injustice and bigotry. Others may have different reasons. Cheers. This is your opinion. Others may not share that opinion. And others do not share yours as you can see plainly. Just picking as this was the last comment here... I will state again it is insanely easy to tell certain biases here. No one will change another's mind. So let's remain kind. |
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Apr 18, 2023 13:52:32 GMT -5
I think the bottom line here is me pointing out Disney is just as guilty as being self-serving and uncaring of the public as people here are accusing Florida State legislature being. The only difference is Florida State legislature was elected by the people of Florida. So really what people are mad at are the people of Florida. I think people are choosing the Disney side here solely out of a bias for Disney. Understandable since we are all DVC owners. We love Disney. And it's hard to step back and take an objective view. Bravo. Well said. And it is understandable. We all overprotect our brand biases. But in the end, I do not like any Government that takes advantage of a situation against Joe Citizen and I do not like any corporation that takes advantage of Joe Citizen. When they try to take advantage of each other it gets messy. I will say this, If I was Universal and Sea World I would have done more than complain about Disney's built in advantage long ago. Have you ever heard of “ eminent domain”? Govt has been taking advantage of Joe citizen for decades. I wonder if DeSantis could use this law to dissolve Disney? Food for thought! I think what we are witnessing here is a public run company exercising their perceived powers over government intervention. If this situation was happening in another state, with another company, would this be as big of a deal? JMHO but I don’t care how big of a company one is, it never bodes well going against Uncle Sam, regardless of the agenda. |
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Post by Brian5581 on Apr 18, 2023 14:02:46 GMT -5
I will state again it is insanely easy to tell certain biases here. No one will change another's mind. So let's remain kind. Extremely well said. In all likelihood no amount of quoting from sources on either side will change anyone's position here. |
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Post by SuzanneSLO on Apr 18, 2023 14:30:11 GMT -5
Bravo. Well said. And it is understandable. We all overprotect our brand biases. But in the end, I do not like any Government that takes advantage of a situation against Joe Citizen and I do not like any corporation that takes advantage of Joe Citizen. When they try to take advantage of each other it gets messy. I will say this, If I was Universal and Sea World I would have done more than complain about Disney's built in advantage long ago. Have you ever heard of “ eminent domain”? Govt has been taking advantage of Joe citizen for decades. I wonder if DeSantis could use this law to dissolve Disney? Food for thought! I think what we are witnessing here is a public run company exercising their perceived powers over government intervention. If this situation was happening in another state, with another company, would this be as big of a deal? JMHO but I don’t care how big of a company one is, it never bodes well going against Uncle Sam, regardless of the agenda. If Florida follows through with the legislation to require attraction safety inspections from the Dept if Agriculture (which performs this task in Florida), they could certainly close the Parks and hotels for some period of time in order to conduct those inspections and for Disney to make any necessary repairs (like adding lighted exit signs to attractions). But really, this is the largest employer in Florida and largest corporate taxpayer. So even if lost tax revenues aren’t an issue because Florida apparently has such a big tax surplus, is it really to Florida’s advantage to shut WDW down for a week or 10? I would think something like this is more likely than Florida attempting to exercise its powers of eminent domain and buy out Disney’s ownership in Florida. Theoretically, that would have to be a fair market value, which most appraisers would determine based on revenue generated, even if there was no unrelated Buyer waiting in the wings. |
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Apr 18, 2023 14:51:58 GMT -5
Have you ever heard of “ eminent domain”? Govt has been taking advantage of Joe citizen for decades. I wonder if DeSantis could use this law to dissolve Disney? Food for thought! I think what we are witnessing here is a public run company exercising their perceived powers over government intervention. If this situation was happening in another state, with another company, would this be as big of a deal? JMHO but I don’t care how big of a company one is, it never bodes well going against Uncle Sam, regardless of the agenda. If Florida follows through with the legislation to require attraction safety inspections from the Dept if Agriculture (which performs this task in Florida), they could certainly close the Parks and hotels for some period of time in order to conduct those inspections and for Disney to make any necessary repairs (like adding lighted exit signs to attractions). But really, this is the largest employer in Florida and largest corporate taxpayer. So even if lost tax revenues aren’t an issue because Florida apparently has such a big tax surplus, is it really to Florida’s advantage to shut WDW down for a week or 10? I would think something like this is more likely than Florida attempting to exercise its powers of eminent domain and buy out Disney’s ownership in Florida. Theoretically, that would have to be a fair market value, which most appraisers would determine based on revenue generated, even if there was no unrelated Buyer waiting in the wings. I don’t think many looked into that possibility of shutting down WDW for those safety inspections. It would be interesting to know what tax revenue would be lost, as it’s not just from Disney, but all of the supporting businesses around WDW. |
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Post by SuzanneSLO on Apr 18, 2023 15:28:49 GMT -5
If Florida follows through with the legislation to require attraction safety inspections from the Dept if Agriculture (which performs this task in Florida), they could certainly close the Parks and hotels for some period of time in order to conduct those inspections and for Disney to make any necessary repairs (like adding lighted exit signs to attractions). But really, this is the largest employer in Florida and largest corporate taxpayer. So even if lost tax revenues aren’t an issue because Florida apparently has such a big tax surplus, is it really to Florida’s advantage to shut WDW down for a week or 10? I would think something like this is more likely than Florida attempting to exercise its powers of eminent domain and buy out Disney’s ownership in Florida. Theoretically, that would have to be a fair market value, which most appraisers would determine based on revenue generated, even if there was no unrelated Buyer waiting in the wings. I don’t think many looked into that possibility of shutting down WDW for those safety inspections. It would be interesting to know what tax revenue would be lost, as it’s not just from Disney, but all of the supporting businesses around WDW. I would guess that Disney know to the penny what it lost during the shut down in 2020 and both the State and local governments know generally what they lost. There is obviously a potential cascading effect if Disney stops paying the local employees (which save Disney money, but spreads the losses to other local businesses). Isn’t the necessary threat from the State to get Disney to bend to its will (although I’m not sure anyone actually knows what that means): make Disney hurt. That won’t happen if Disney just has to pay more legal fees or add some Exit signs. Attendance needs to go down sharply and hotels need to remain empty. If that is the likely trajectory of the path Disney is on, maybe then Disney will give up and ____________[ fill in the blank with whatever you think will satisfy the current Florida governor]. |
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Post by mcd on Apr 18, 2023 19:04:05 GMT -5
I just don't understand what Desantis is trying to accomplish in the end. I understand that he is trying to get at "woke" Disney and exert his dominance and control. But I can't really believe an elected official would work so hard to go after an iconic and successful corporation in their state.
I realize its pretty extreme in this situation, but government entities all over the country bend over backward to attract and keep business in their districts for the economic benefits and tax revenue. I come from a small town where the town board has never understood that. Businesses have left. New ones haven't come. It has really gone downhill over the last 25 years unfortunately.
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Post by rigby on Apr 18, 2023 20:25:32 GMT -5
I agree that nothing anyone posts or quotes will change minds but it is of interest that even Christie, Pence, Sununuu, and even Trump agree that this is not very Republican. Just feels very authoritarian to almost anyone who doesn’t have skin in the game. Seems like a losing argument. Especially on the national stage which seems to be his play. www.politico.com/news/2023/04/18/chris-christie-ron-desantis-disney-00092505 |
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