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Post by broganmc on Apr 5, 2023 11:41:04 GMT -5
I must be the only one who doesn't care about adding a 5th gate. All the ideas for it don't interest me. A villains park? Why? Why would anyone want to celebrate villains? Seems like a twisted mindset to me. Disney is about the good guys. The heroes. The ones that make magic and memories. Not the ones that try to destroy it.
I do like adding more cast members and paying them well. That will add to the guest experience. It'll mean increase capacity on the rides. Better service at the restaurants. And happier cast members because they don't have to do everything.
If Iger were to ask me, The one thing I would like to see reopened is voyage of The Little mermaid in Hollywood Studios. I miss having that show. And it just makes me sad every time I walk by the place knowing it's dead inside.
Frankly I don't care about Avatar. I never liked the movies. And the land is just a big disappointment to me. Neither one of the rides is accessible. The boat is a waste of space that could easily have had a wheelchair boat. Flight of passage could easily be adapted for someone in a wheelchair to experience. But no they didn't put any effort into any of that. So for me it's a waste of money and a waste of time. I only go there at night because the fluorescent paint looks cool for photos. But I don't bother with it the rest of the time. In fact Pandora is such a disappointment to me it affects my opinion of Animal Kingdom in general. I only visit that park once or twice a year, and I'm in Orlando two months of the year over three trips. I'm a bit sore on the subject.
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Apr 5, 2023 13:02:07 GMT -5
I wish they would go back in time and make Star Wars it's own park...then I wouldn't have to deal with it at HS
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Post by Eeyorelover22 on Apr 5, 2023 13:03:24 GMT -5
At least a separate entrance.
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Post by Wiltony on Apr 5, 2023 16:37:34 GMT -5
I must be the only one who doesn't care about adding a 5th gate. All the ideas for it don't interest me. A villains park? Why? Why would anyone want to celebrate villains? Seems like a twisted mindset to me. Disney is about the good guys. The heroes. The ones that make magic and memories. Not the ones that try to destroy it. Respectfully disagree -- Disney is also definitely about the villains, in my opinion. They make the story a story. They're the obstacle for the hero to overcome, they're the antagonist for the protagonist to defeat -- in other words, a hero wouldn't exist without the villain.
You're right in that it's hard to separate "celebrating" villains vs. having an entertainment/theme around them. We don't celebrate dastardly plans and evil deeds, and I agree that Disney wouldn't want to appear to advocate for such. But there is certainly a draw for the dark, scary, evil villains aesthetic, and Disney knows this. There is a villains after-hours event they have every year that does well, there are villains portions in their fireworks shows, a villains-themed TOTWL now, etc.
A villains park seems just a little too niche for me, but not a bad idea on the whole.
However I think something more akin to the Disney Sea concept is a much better choice to pursue if they really wanted to go for a 5th gate, personally.
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Post by broganmc on Apr 5, 2023 23:26:03 GMT -5
I must be the only one who doesn't care about adding a 5th gate. All the ideas for it don't interest me. A villains park? Why? Why would anyone want to celebrate villains? Seems like a twisted mindset to me. Disney is about the good guys. The heroes. The ones that make magic and memories. Not the ones that try to destroy it. Respectfully disagree -- Disney is also definitely about the villains, in my opinion. They make the story a story. They're the obstacle for the hero to overcome, they're the antagonist for the protagonist to defeat -- in other words, a hero wouldn't exist without the villain.
You're right in that it's hard to separate "celebrating" villains vs. having an entertainment/theme around them. We don't celebrate dastardly plans and evil deeds, and I agree that Disney wouldn't want to appear to advocate for such. But there is certainly a draw for the dark, scary, evil villains aesthetic, and Disney knows this. There is a villains after-hours event they have every year that does well, there are villains portions in their fireworks shows, a villains-themed TOTWL now, etc.
A villains park seems just a little too niche for me, but not a bad idea on the whole.
However I think something more akin to the Disney Sea concept is a much better choice to pursue if they really wanted to go for a 5th gate, personally.
I'm thinking of Universal's Halloween Horror Nights. That is a celebration of everything scary and bad. And it is completely opposite to what Disney gives you. Yes there are segments in all the fireworks shows that refer to the villains. And yes villains do add to a story. But I don't think you can make a fifth gate out of villains and still be Disney. Just don't think it draws that big of a crowd.
Disney Sea is beautiful. I'm not sure how well it would work in WDW.
Given that this 17 billion is going to be spread out over 10 years, I don't think we're going to see another park but we may very well see new attractions. Personally I'd like to see Animal Kingdom more attractions. That part just always feels lacking to me. |
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Post by captjacksfamily on Apr 6, 2023 4:49:02 GMT -5
Before expanding to a 5th gate I believe WDW that Disney needs to take a hard look at infrastructure and how they get guest from park to park. I have always been surprised that Disney didn't design in traffic lanes committed to Disney transportation only so they can keep to a schedule regardless of traffic. Maybe develop autonomous driving mini vans from the sig resorts to popular stops, you would need to use your room key to activate to keep them exclusive to guests (There would be trunk space for DVC guests...). How about digging more canals to expand boat transportation. I know they have added bus only lanes around Disney Springs, the Skyliner in the Epcot area and redesigned the traffic flow to the GF and Poly but if they start adding new gates or anything that will increase the number of guests they will soon clog the roads. Before anyone suggest adding monorail loops I think this would be just way to expensive to ever be done.
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Post by Hi from RI on Apr 6, 2023 15:56:21 GMT -5
I want Cars land that they have in Disneyland!
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Apr 7, 2023 9:44:47 GMT -5
Maybe develop autonomous driving mini vans Believe you me, I've been on top of this idea since I first heard about it in a college lecture by a guest speaker in the '90s. Also had a professor that was big into "self driving" research since way before then. The tech will get there some day and there are an insane number of places that could benefit from these little self-driving vehicles. Think "PeopleMover" except not tied to a track. Also think a line of them waiting at the bus stop and you get in and "zip" rather than you waiting for a big bus to come along. |
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Post by cpnkirk on Apr 7, 2023 10:17:02 GMT -5
Maybe develop autonomous driving mini vans Believe you me, I've been on top of this idea since I first heard about it in a college lecture by a guest speaker in the '90s. Also had a professor that was big into "self driving" research since way before then. The tech will get there some day and there are an insane number of places that could benefit from these little self-driving vehicles. Think "PeopleMover" except not tied to a track. Also think a line of them waiting at the bus stop and you get in and "zip" rather than you waiting for a big bus to come along. Yes! It would be like the rats in the ratatouille ride. Those may be reading something out of the ground for direction, though. I guess they have to be recharged? But I'd do it for sure - and I think a dedicated path (not on the roads with the general public) would make a lot more people feel more comfortable using them. |
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Post by captjacksfamily on Apr 7, 2023 10:55:35 GMT -5
Believe you me, I've been on top of this idea since I first heard about it in a college lecture by a guest speaker in the '90s. Also had a professor that was big into "self driving" research since way before then. The tech will get there some day and there are an insane number of places that could benefit from these little self-driving vehicles. Think "PeopleMover" except not tied to a track. Also think a line of them waiting at the bus stop and you get in and "zip" rather than you waiting for a big bus to come along. Yes! It would be like the rats in the ratatouille ride. Those may be reading something out of the ground for direction, though. I guess they have to be recharged? But I'd do it for sure - and I think a dedicated path (not on the roads with the general public) would make a lot more people feel more comfortable using them. In my pre-retirement life I was in Semiconductor R&D, in the 80's we had a contract with Fiat to develop radar for automotive work, fear of liability killed the project not the tech. Between coming from tech and owning a Tesla for several years the current tech could easily handle this as long they had a dedicated highly accurate mapped roads for the cars. The problem and why I think true self-driving won't be real for a long time is that it is hard to develop an AI that can anticipate stupid. Once the cars are talking to each other and the drivers can not have driving input then we can have self-driving. As far as charging goes there is a lot of work being done on inductive charging embedded into roads and as pads that the cars could be parked over. They would also not necessarily need to be an EV, an ICE car using synthetic fuel would be pretty cool. So with separate roads just for these cars it would be pretty much easy peasy tech wise, except for the Synth fuel or the cost of the battery pack. Plus they would gain room for new attractions because they could replace autotopia and test track.... |
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Post by lovindisney on Apr 7, 2023 17:38:14 GMT -5
A 5th park would be amazing but so would new rides/attractions.
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Apr 7, 2023 17:42:26 GMT -5
So with separate roads just for these cars it would be pretty much easy peasy tech wise, except for the Synth fuel or the cost of the battery pack. Ah but there we are, thinking inside the box: How do me make the self-driving car a replacement for normal cars? Battery pack cost doesn't have to be high, because it doesn't have to have the capacity to go 300 miles. Small batteries, you have the thing pull into a charging station every so often, bam. Like those robot vacuums that drive themselves into the docking station to recharge. You are totally right about the real problem with self-driving cars: Dealing with stupid humans. In our downtown they had a self-driving little bus making loops between the hospitals last summer as an experiment between MNDOT and the UofM. It was about the size of a VW Bus except it was shaped more like a toaster. Think a short version of those "monorails" at MCO airport. People would get in and stand or sit on the benches at either end. I would sit and watch this thing, fascinated. It became obvious rather quickly that the real problem was that human-driven cars were zipping around it and cutting in front of it and double-parking in it's lane and doing the things bad drivers do. So the toaster-car had to keep driving very, very slowly, because it was impossible to predict what all these people would do. |
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Post by henrycpa on Apr 10, 2023 8:43:51 GMT -5
I must be the only one who doesn't care about adding a 5th gate. All the ideas for it don't interest me. A villains park? Why? Why would anyone want to celebrate villains? Seems like a twisted mindset to me. Disney is about the good guys. The heroes. The ones that make magic and memories. Not the ones that try to destroy it. I will be another to disagree. A "Villians" park would allow Disney to go a different direction. Heck, maybe even an all night park that does not open until noon every day. This could also be a Disney Version of a Thrill park. More adult oriented options. Finally, most Disney movies have highlighted a villian, and as we have learned with Malificent and Cruella they have back stories as to how they got to be who they are. I prefer those new take on old IP vs live remakes of the same stories. I am thinking Captain Hook would be a cool backstory as would Dr. Faciller. I think a cool animation story would be Bruce from Nemo... But a Villians park allows the creative talent at Disney to go a different direction. That is fascinating to me. But until labor supply is addressed more broadly, I do not see how Disney can do it. |
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Post by broganmc on Apr 10, 2023 12:41:21 GMT -5
I must be the only one who doesn't care about adding a 5th gate. All the ideas for it don't interest me. A villains park? Why? Why would anyone want to celebrate villains? Seems like a twisted mindset to me. Disney is about the good guys. The heroes. The ones that make magic and memories. Not the ones that try to destroy it. I will be another to disagree. A "Villians" park would allow Disney to go a different direction. Heck, maybe even an all night park that does not open until noon every day. This could also be a Disney Version of a Thrill park. More adult oriented options. Finally, most Disney movies have highlighted a villian, and as we have learned with Malificent and Cruella they have back stories as to how they got to be who they are. I prefer those new take on old IP vs live remakes of the same stories. I am thinking Captain Hook would be a cool backstory as would Dr. Faciller. I think a cool animation story would be Bruce from Nemo... But a Villians park allows the creative talent at Disney to go a different direction. That is fascinating to me. But until labor supply is addressed more broadly, I do not see how Disney can do it. See that's the difference. I don't like Maleficent or Cruella. I thought the Maleficent movie was absolutely horrible. It was a PC modern-day version of nothingness. Ruined the story of Sleeping Beauty. I thought it was so bad I started laughing in the theater. I realize there is an audience for that type of content. But what I question is the size of that audience. If there really was enough of a draw for an adult themed dark side thrill Park then Universal Studios would be drawing a bigger crowd than Disney. They don't. In fact they didn't even compete until they started adding child friendly content like Harry Potter. They're epic universe park is supposed to be even more child friendly. |
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Post by cpnkirk on Apr 10, 2023 14:08:03 GMT -5
I will be another to disagree. A "Villians" park would allow Disney to go a different direction. Heck, maybe even an all night park that does not open until noon every day. This could also be a Disney Version of a Thrill park. More adult oriented options. Finally, most Disney movies have highlighted a villian, and as we have learned with Malificent and Cruella they have back stories as to how they got to be who they are. I prefer those new take on old IP vs live remakes of the same stories. I am thinking Captain Hook would be a cool backstory as would Dr. Faciller. I think a cool animation story would be Bruce from Nemo... But a Villians park allows the creative talent at Disney to go a different direction. That is fascinating to me. But until labor supply is addressed more broadly, I do not see how Disney can do it. See that's the difference. I don't like Maleficent or Cruella. I thought the Maleficent movie was absolutely horrible. It was a PC modern-day version of nothingness. Ruined the story of Sleeping Beauty. I thought it was so bad I started laughing in the theater. I realize there is an audience for that type of content. But what I question is the size of that audience. If there really was enough of a draw for an adult themed dark side thrill Park then Universal Studios would be drawing a bigger crowd than Disney. They don't. In fact they didn't even compete until they started adding child friendly content like Harry Potter. They're epic universe park is supposed to be even more child friendly. Wow, I really interpreted Universal's Harry Potter world differently. I've only been there once, and didn't know anything about the story - never read the books or saw the movies. But, I saw a LOT of adults walking around with those robes on! I know that my adult son grew up on Harry Potter, and would very much enjoy that area (if I can ever get him down there!). I'm sure kids love it as well, but it also appeals to people who used to be kids (people of a certain age as we used to say it). Same with the nintendo world area of Epic Universe - I'm looking forward to seeing that! I grew up playing those games. I don't know anything about the rest of the new park, though. I did think that the Dr Seuss area was geared toward kids, and I grew up reading all those stories as well. So I guess each area hits a different mark. |
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