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Post by MinnieMom on Jan 23, 2024 13:18:37 GMT -5
Disney does not need and (IMHO) will not build a 5th gate for at least another couple of decades, likely much longer. There are far too many spaces available inside the existing parks for repurposing (Stitch GE) and expansion to even consider the enormous capital cost of the infrastructure of a new gate. Until those spaces are developed and occupancy for all existing Orlando parks hits whatever the company designates as the target, the cost/benefit analysis is not going to support building a 5th gate. Many of the Disney fan/news sites have turned into clickbait nonsense. I can't prove it, but personally believe many of those articles are AI generated. Why? Because I tried using AI to create some Disney news articles just to see what happened. The result was very similar to a lot of what's out there now. But there are still some very solid options. www.disneytouristblog.com/ is my long time favorite. On the youTube side, my current favorite is Molly with Mammoth Club. www.youtube.com/@mammoth_Club I'm sure there are other really good options as well, but keeping up with two is about what I have time to handle these days. Back to 5th gate comment for a second - - we are building Standing Pines Resort (campground) in phases. The first phase is front loaded with infrastructure costs intentionally. This gives us multiple paths to expansion for Phase 2 (or more likely: 2a, 2b, 2c, 2d) at a greatly reduced cost as compared to Phase 1 or even going out and repeating this build somewhere else for a second RV resort. That's even considering the significant cost savings in a second project due to the learning curve on this project. While it's not at all the same thing, I think the approach to the cost management would be similar. There's no way I'm leaving the low cost expansion benefits on the table in favor of building a new gate. Sure, Disney World is an altogether different level. I do get that. But I can't see even Disney taking on the cost for a new gate when they can build so much more for such a relatively lower cost in the existing parks. |
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Post by brp on Jan 23, 2024 13:31:17 GMT -5
Given that a major expansion and re imagining of the center of Epcot is underway and making good progress, I have some idea of some of the improvements we'll be seeing.
Cheers.
I don't think the current Epcot renovation is part of the $60 Billion.
......And I hope not!
Oh, likely not. What I mean is that they are doing things. I don't care which pot of money or which headline people want to whine about. Things are happening and we can see them.
Cheers.
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Post by henrycpa on Jan 23, 2024 18:06:46 GMT -5
Given that a major expansion and re imagining of the center of Epcot is underway and making good progress, I have some idea of some of the improvements we'll be seeing.
Cheers.
I don't think the current Epcot renovation is part of the $60 Billion.
......And I hope not!
And if it is, it is not really an "add" because it is replacing. That is what I mean by just keeping up with normal depreciation. Investment builds upon current assets, not just improves/replaces |
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Post by brp on Jan 23, 2024 18:11:40 GMT -5
I don't think the current Epcot renovation is part of the $60 Billion.
......And I hope not!
And if it is, it is not really an "add" because it is replacing. That is what I mean by just keeping up with normal depreciation. Investment builds upon current assets, not just improves/replaces This is hardly a simple replacement, except in the sense that it's using the same piece of ground. Barring adding new actual space to parks, all adds use existing space. And this is, conceptually, considerably more than just a replacement, but a re imagining of the space. But, of course, it's easy to couch anything as "simple upkeep" if one chooses. Right up there with new urinals in the men's room.
Cheers.
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Jan 24, 2024 10:45:15 GMT -5
Re: the new Epcot...
People seem very excited about the new Epcot Center. I feel like the new Epcot stuff...well, there's a gift store that became bigger but blander, there's a quick service eatery that replaced a different quick service eatery, there's a huge, super popular attraction with long lines that seem to indicate Disney has a real winner on their hands - oh wait that's a Starbucks. Then there is a ton of what just feels like "city park". We got picnic tables, we got phone charger plug-ins, we got Adirondack chairs to enjoy that Starbucks milkshake while your phone charges and you browse facebook, we got a couple of statues, some plantings, some park benches, some neon lights at night.
Maybe people confuse "walls coming down" with liking the new stuff.
At least they will have a good place to park all those new festival booths that I'm sure are in the works.
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Post by helenabear on Jan 24, 2024 10:55:40 GMT -5
Re: the new Epcot... People seem very excited about the new Epcot Center. I feel like the new Epcot stuff...well, there's a gift store that became bigger but blander, there's a quick service eatery that replaced a different quick service eatery, there's a huge, super popular attraction with long lines that seem to indicate Disney has a real winner on their hands - oh wait that's a Starbucks. Then there is a ton of what just feels like "city park". We got picnic tables, we got phone charger plug-ins, we got Adirondack chairs to enjoy that Starbucks milkshake while your phone charges and you browse facebook, we got a couple of statues, some plantings, some park benches, some neon lights at night. Maybe people confuse "walls coming down" with liking the new stuff. At least they will have a good place to park all those new festival booths that I'm sure are in the works. I take it to mean that they like the way it is now and the new looks of everything are more pleasing to them. I know many think the new shopping is bland, but I actually really love it for a whole lot of reasons. Mouse Gears was anxiety inducing in many ways to me. It's not that everything is brand new and never there before, but what they've come up with is nice in the end |
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Post by brp on Jan 24, 2024 10:55:45 GMT -5
Re: the new Epcot... Maybe people confuse "walls coming down" with liking the new stuff. Maybe some people are. I've seen the plans for what is coming, and I like what they have in mind. Of course, "walls coming down" is a good thing as well. But the new concepts work for me. Journey of Water is already an excellent start.
Cheers.
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Jan 24, 2024 10:59:24 GMT -5
Journey of Water is already an excellent start. Yes, Journey of Water was fantastic, I really liked being in there. |
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Post by henrycpa on Jan 25, 2024 20:54:50 GMT -5
And if it is, it is not really an "add" because it is replacing. That is what I mean by just keeping up with normal depreciation. Investment builds upon current assets, not just improves/replaces This is hardly a simple replacement, except in the sense that it's using the same piece of ground. Barring adding new actual space to parks, all adds use existing space. And this is, conceptually, considerably more than just a replacement, but a re imagining of the space. But, of course, it's easy to couch anything as "simple upkeep" if one chooses. Right up there with new urinals in the men's room.
Cheers.
I think of it more like remodeling a bathroom. It sure looks nice and is newer, and has newer, prettier toilets, sinks, and shower but in the end, it does not do anything new or different and not going to be the reason you buy the house. Now, if you add a nice new Theater Room that is something new and exciting in a place that used to be an unfinished basement. |
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Post by a1000monkeys on Jan 26, 2024 13:41:59 GMT -5
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Post by baymaxfan on Jan 26, 2024 18:10:15 GMT -5
I am very much looking forward to this. Even if it’s on a 10-year track, the expansion looks great. Of course, it could change significantly or not even happen at all. I’ll stay optimistic. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Jan 27, 2024 8:38:11 GMT -5
I guess we will find out in May if this will be allowed by the city.
The DisneylandForward proposal is scheduled for Anaheim Planning Commission hearings in March with a vote by the Anaheim City Council in May.
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Post by a1000monkeys on Jan 27, 2024 11:45:43 GMT -5
I am very much looking forward to this. Even if it’s on a 10-year track, the expansion looks great. Of course, it could change significantly or not even happen at all. I’ll stay optimistic. There are some cool possibilities. They could potentially build a third gate in the Toy Story lot and buy Anaheim Garden Walk to convert to a new Downtown Disney to connect the park to the proposed parking structure. Though that will take several more billions. |
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Post by dlwdwdvc on Jan 27, 2024 14:16:35 GMT -5
Is the Great Wolf Lodge in Garden Grove also part of those expansion plans?
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Post by baymaxfan on Jan 27, 2024 19:44:41 GMT -5
Is the Great Wolf Lodge in Garden Grove also part of those expansion plans? I don’t believe Disney has a stake in Great Wolf Lodge, so I don’t see why they would be included. The plans submitted to Anaheim makes no mention of them. |
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