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Post by fuzzylogic on Feb 2, 2024 10:14:41 GMT -5
I'm skeptical about these. Isn't Riviera the same price? $225? I don't see a good reason why Cabins would sell over Riviera. Cabins are also a value stay. I'm not sure the target audience that would typically do a value stay would be in the market for 150 points @ $33K. I'll probably stay here sometime, but don't see a need to own here. They maybe should have made some Preferred locations... I believe there are a couple cabins near the main fort. If you could tuck 5 or 6 of those in and sell them as preferred, then you create a major reason to own here. Hopefully they add something like this to drive the owner value.
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Post by baymaxfan on Feb 2, 2024 10:35:19 GMT -5
It seems like the two major driving forces are the ability to fix 6 in a room and bring a pet. Will that be enough for $225/point and $12.16/point maintenance fees? I certainly don't think so. As fuzzylogic said above, 150 points is ~$33,000. Most current DVC buyers are very price sensitive, oftentimes just buying enough for a few days in a studio in the low season. Also, as more and more DVCs open, isn't there some saturation point of people willing to pre-pay $20,000+ for lodging?
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Post by baymaxfan on Feb 2, 2024 10:36:26 GMT -5
Incidentally, I don't think I've seen a poll so skewed. The MagicOwners are obviously not fans of the Cabins at FW.
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Feb 2, 2024 10:43:23 GMT -5
Most current DVC buyers are very price sensitive, oftentimes just buying enough for a few days in a studio in the low season. Are we talking about "us" or "them"? There's been discussion in the past about how our little group of people buy points differently. I imagine that if you could be a fly on the wall at the DVC kiosks in the parks, it would be different. |
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Post by nickys on Feb 2, 2024 10:44:20 GMT -5
They cut the minimum buy-in to 100 points with VGF2 I think. Even so, with the high dues and the price being the same as for other new resorts, it’ll be a hard sell.
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Post by baymaxfan on Feb 2, 2024 10:44:36 GMT -5
Most current DVC buyers are very price sensitive, oftentimes just buying enough for a few days in a studio in the low season. Are we talking about "us" or "them"? There's been discussion in the past about how our little group of people buy points differently. I imagine that if you could be a fly on the wall at the DVC kiosks in the parks, it would be different. Definitely talking about them, who also definitely far outnumber us. |
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Post by helenabear on Feb 2, 2024 19:37:50 GMT -5
They cut the minimum buy-in to 100 points with VGF2 I think. Even so, with the high dues and the price being the same as for other new resorts, it’ll be a hard sell. 100 points and no perks though. Hard sell unless really not educated about DVC as a whole (not using 'not educated' insultingly either) |
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Post by helenabear on Feb 2, 2024 19:39:53 GMT -5
Most current DVC buyers are very price sensitive, oftentimes just buying enough for a few days in a studio in the low season. Are we talking about "us" or "them"? There's been discussion in the past about how our little group of people buy points differently. I imagine that if you could be a fly on the wall at the DVC kiosks in the parks, it would be different. Interestingly the reaction with prices and MFs for the larger DVC group I'm a part of that is far more representative of the newer buyers is that it's a no for most. I only saw one so far who is interested in buying. A couple for staying but not buying. I was a bit shocked because like a month ago when point charts came out so many were like YES!!!!! Not seeing it now with pricing and such. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Feb 3, 2024 8:27:57 GMT -5
Interestingly the reaction with prices and MFs for the larger DVC group I'm a part of that is far more representative of the newer buyers is that it's a no for most. I only saw one so far who is interested in buying. A couple for staying but not buying. I was a bit shocked because like a month ago when point charts came out so many were like YES!!!!! Not seeing it now with pricing and such. Not a surprised. Restrictions, high buy-in, high MF, plus the extra fees, no special amenities. Can't wait to see the horrible sales numbers, especially once Poly Tower goes on sale. I bet that the Poly Tower will sell out before the Cabins sell 30% of thier points. |
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Post by melk on Feb 3, 2024 8:32:40 GMT -5
Incidentally, I don't think I've seen a poll so skewed. The MagicOwners are obviously not fans of the Cabins at FW. Haha, I thought that too. Personally speaking we have stayed in almost every DVC resort, every room type, including grand villas and WL cabins. We had formerly stayed in the FW cabins before DVC and were blown away at how nice the accommodations and the resorts were when we made the switch. I think the appeal will be for first time owners with young families who may have stayed at FW in cabins or as campers previously. We’re too spoiled at this point  |
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Post by jackson6 on Feb 3, 2024 9:12:11 GMT -5
These will take a long time to sell. The low points chart will catch a few as will FW nostalgia. It's not much of an investment for DVD and they'll have points to sell for days...and years, and years.
Also, these cabins will make the $250+ Poly tower deal look reasonable.
I mean, I guess I get it. But, yeah...not interested in purchasing this resort.
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Post by helenabear on Feb 3, 2024 10:04:45 GMT -5
Interestingly the reaction with prices and MFs for the larger DVC group I'm a part of that is far more representative of the newer buyers is that it's a no for most. I only saw one so far who is interested in buying. A couple for staying but not buying. I was a bit shocked because like a month ago when point charts came out so many were like YES!!!!! Not seeing it now with pricing and such. Not a surprised. Restrictions, high buy-in, high MF, plus the extra fees, no special amenities. Can't wait to see the horrible sales numbers, especially once Poly Tower goes on sale. I bet that the Poly Tower will sell out before the Cabins sell 30% of thier points. Totally not surprised either that so many are backing down after seeing details. Many still want to stay there, but don't want to buy in. I agree that PVB will resell out faster than the cabins by a large margin. I wouldn't be shocked if Riviera sells faster too (point for point speed, I'm behind on how many points total the cabins will have to sell). |
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Post by DrMinnie on Feb 3, 2024 12:52:12 GMT -5
Not a surprised. Restrictions, high buy-in, high MF, plus the extra fees, no special amenities. Can't wait to see the horrible sales numbers, especially once Poly Tower goes on sale. I bet that the Poly Tower will sell out before the Cabins sell 30% of thier points. Totally not surprised either that so many are backing down after seeing details. Many still want to stay there, but don't want to buy in. I agree that PVB will resell out faster than the cabins by a large margin. I wouldn't be shocked if Riviera sells faster too (point for point speed, I'm behind on how many points total the cabins will have to sell). Part of me is excited that Riviera may sell faster.. part of me is nervous that it’s harder to book at a sold out riviera! but wow, those incentives are not amazing. |
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Post by brp on Feb 3, 2024 13:03:53 GMT -5
Which will only add to the misery.
DVC is ruining one of the things that made DVC special. But that change regarding resales at new resorts is to benefit DVC and not protect the Member. The restrictions will depress the resale price, therefore making DVC more money when they excercise their Right of First Refusal, then resell the points again at full price.
Exactly. And why should we expect anything else. It's Disney's legal duty to do things like this to maximize profit. We may not like it but, in the words of Dr. Frankenfurter: "I didn't make him for you."
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on Feb 3, 2024 14:40:51 GMT -5
Totally not surprised either that so many are backing down after seeing details. Many still want to stay there, but don't want to buy in. I agree that PVB will resell out faster than the cabins by a large margin. I wouldn't be shocked if Riviera sells faster too (point for point speed, I'm behind on how many points total the cabins will have to sell). Part of me is excited that Riviera may sell faster.. part of me is nervous that it’s harder to book at a sold out riviera! but wow, those incentives are not amazing. Depends on where you are when a resort isn't sold out. Right after declarations vs just before will affect how easy. To be a fair I was not trying to say that I think this will make Riviera sell faster. In fact I think it'll make it so slower once the Polynesian Tower is out. I was simply saying that Riviera sold so slowly but I do think the cabins will sell even slower than Riviera did point for point. I'll have to look to see what the total points being sold for the cabins are to see how Betty total points they have to sell to begin with. I'm a little behind on all of this as I haven't even done Disneyland Tower yet |
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