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Post by Adelard of Bath on Apr 24, 2024 10:26:05 GMT -5
Don't forget about the restrictions on resales at the resort. This is just as bad as the high maintenance fees in my opinion .
But they keep doing it, even though we all scream that it is killing sales. Is it a long game for them? Knowing 2042 is "just around the corner" and soon they can resell those and they, too, will have the restrictions? Then it is only a matter of time until all DVC resorts have the restrictions. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Apr 24, 2024 10:30:24 GMT -5
It's still a massive deterrent to many that have discussed it. They'd rather be offsite which is a different beast there as well. I expect it to eventually sell out but it's no VGC in so many ways. Sadly that's the fact. About 19% has been sold in the opening year. We're talking 4-5 years to sell out. That's pretty slow compared to some. The problem with Disneyland is not the product, but the lack of things to do. Unlike Disney World, people don't go to DL and spend a week or two weeks at a time. Most DL visitors are locals, coming in for a day or two.
The tower is 10 years too early. When Disneyland gets around to expanding, and makes the destination more of a long vacation, than all the extra timeshare rooms make sense.
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Post by tomandrobin on Apr 24, 2024 10:32:48 GMT -5
Don't forget about the restrictions on resales at the resort. This is just as bad as the high maintenance fees in my opinion .
But they keep doing it, even though we all scream that it is killing sales. Is it a long game for them? Knowing 2042 is "just around the corner" and soon they can resell those and they, too, will have the restrictions? Then it is only a matter of time until all DVC resorts have the restrictions. Because the Disney execs are an echo chamber, telling each other how great this is going to be for them, not realizing how much damage they are doing to the product.
18 more years until 2042, than add in another couple years to renovate/rebuild those resorts to resell.
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Post by helenabear on Apr 24, 2024 11:10:13 GMT -5
It's still a massive deterrent to many that have discussed it. They'd rather be offsite which is a different beast there as well. I expect it to eventually sell out but it's no VGC in so many ways. Sadly that's the fact. About 19% has been sold in the opening year. We're talking 4-5 years to sell out. That's pretty slow compared to some. The problem with Disneyland is not the product, but the lack of things to do. Unlike Disney World, people don't go to DL and spend a week or two weeks at a time. Most DL visitors are locals, coming in for a day or two.
The tower is 10 years too early. When Disneyland gets around to expanding, and makes the destination more of a long vacation, than all the extra timeshare rooms make sense.
I agree! I wasn't even going to get into that since I know some will argue that aspect. My trips to DLR have either been a day trip tacked onto other things or a few night trip mostly to make the trip worth it. They will need the space after expansions though reality is the number of available hotels nearby that are excellent will still be there. DLR is not as much of a continual destination in the same way. All the other negatives with the resort don't help. |
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Post by Wiltony on Apr 24, 2024 13:27:04 GMT -5
Dang cabins were a poor decision. As I've said before, moving into pre-fab trailer for a week isn't exactly screaming "deluxe vacation destination" for me. And it's still absolutely ridiculous that they don't have W/Ds. As soon as someone put forward that recommendation, the rest of the room should have screamed "hell no!" and especially considering the fact that you're at Ft. Wilderness, where you're more likely to get a little dirty and sweaty compared to roaming the halls of places like the Grand Floridian or Riviera Resorts!
At the very least, there should be some kind of additional amenities to offset the loss of them.
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Post by baymaxfan on Apr 24, 2024 13:34:26 GMT -5
It's still a massive deterrent to many that have discussed it. They'd rather be offsite which is a different beast there as well. I expect it to eventually sell out but it's no VGC in so many ways. Sadly that's the fact. About 19% has been sold in the opening year. We're talking 4-5 years to sell out. That's pretty slow compared to some. Let's be real, their best seller is RR and that's not even going all that fast. 72,275 points for RR 16, 086 for Disneyland 12,326 for Cabins Both of those two are slow.... very slow. I absolutely agree. 4-5 years is probably much slower than Disney imagined, but at least that is a somewhat reasonable timeframe. I think FW will be even worse than the 18 year forward projection from Tom. That was based on the first real month of sales. I expect sales will slow drastically as those who really wanted it, bought it. Now, you have to convince others to buy. Good luck. |
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Post by nickys on Apr 24, 2024 13:44:25 GMT -5
At the very least, there should be some kind of additional amenities to offset the loss of them. In that note, a permit has been filed for construction work on part of g th he recreation area. Courtesy of “danlb_2000” over on WDWMagic, the permit is for the “Fort Wilderness Resort Meadows Project". It will be removing some of the recreation area and replacing it with a building and retention pond. It is not clear what the building is. He goes on to say that the playground, sand volley ball court and disc golf area are being removed. It could potentially be something like a Community Hall, but for now we’ll have to wait and see. |
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Post by helenabear on Apr 24, 2024 13:57:55 GMT -5
It's still a massive deterrent to many that have discussed it. They'd rather be offsite which is a different beast there as well. I expect it to eventually sell out but it's no VGC in so many ways. Sadly that's the fact. About 19% has been sold in the opening year. We're talking 4-5 years to sell out. That's pretty slow compared to some. Let's be real, their best seller is RR and that's not even going all that fast. 72,275 points for RR 16, 086 for Disneyland 12,326 for Cabins Both of those two are slow.... very slow. I absolutely agree. 4-5 years is probably much slower than Disney imagined, but at least that is a somewhat reasonable timeframe. I think FW will be even worse than the 18 year forward projection from Tom. That was based on the first real month of sales. I expect sales will slow drastically as those who really wanted it, bought it. Now, you have to convince others to buy. Good luck. I'll say given the size of the resort, that's much slower than they expected given what VGF and VGC did. Aulani is ridiculous and the cabins will be too for selling out. You'd think they'd have learned their lessons before doing the new DLR DVC stuff, but they didn't. I know you have a love for DLR but let's be real, they didn't do wise things in CA this time around at all. At the very least, there should be some kind of additional amenities to offset the loss of them. In that note, a permit has been filed for construction work on part of g th he recreation area. Courtesy of “danlb_2000” over on WDWMagic, the permit is for the “Fort Wilderness Resort Meadows Project". It will be removing some of the recreation area and replacing it with a building and retention pond. It is not clear what the building is. He goes on to say that the playground, sand volley ball court and disc golf area are being removed. It could potentially be something like a Community Hall, but for now we’ll have to wait and see. Given where it is going the chances of it being DVC CHs would be pretty small. This isn't near the cabins at all really. Not a bonus to me if I were staying there. They have plans for the cabins pool near by so that's the only real DVC good that's going on nearby. |
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Post by MinnieMom on Apr 24, 2024 14:25:17 GMT -5
This is just my opinion, but Riviera Resort would have been sold out a long time ago if it did not have the resale restriction. 100% agree. This last trip was the first time I spent any amount of time at RR. While I didn't stay there, I did visit a few times for meals and to ride the gondolas. I never had any interest in buying RR. There's no emotional pull. Plus the math strongly suggests that BLT resale is a better deal. Still, RR is great for visits! Given the location (skyliner) advantage, I see sales going much better at RR had DVC avoided the resale restriction games. For all my complaints about the Cabins at Fort Wilderness - floor plan, annual fee and initial purchase cost - I don't actually care about the laundry there. I've camped FW enough to be comfortable with the available laundry rooms. Last visit, I did laundry on a pool afternoon at the comfort station closest to the pool. It made a great excuse to let DD and DH play while I bopped in and out on the golf cart! |
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Post by tomandrobin on Apr 25, 2024 8:17:32 GMT -5
I was going to post the same thing.....This is not for the Cabins. If it was, why is it not near the cabins and why was it not built to open with the Cabins? |
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Post by john2247 on Apr 25, 2024 14:56:37 GMT -5
Is this another Star Wars Cruiser for Disney???
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Post by nickys on Apr 25, 2024 15:43:01 GMT -5
I was going to post the same thing.....This is not for the Cabins. If it was, why is it not near the cabins and why was it not built to open with the Cabins? Nothing was built to go with the Cabins. And right there is another major problem. There are literally no DVC amenities for the Cabins at FW, no DVC exclusive pool, no community hall, nothing that turns it into a DVC resort except for shiny new cabins. I guess that’s why I hoped it was a community hall, something, anything by way of a DVC amenity. Because without it they are screwed as far as sales go. |
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Post by nickys on Apr 25, 2024 15:45:27 GMT -5
Is this another Star Wars Cruiser for Disney??? It’s worse. The StarCruiser was a great idea, just hugely over-priced and under-delivered. This “DVC resort” is a not even half-baked idea, hugely over-priced and under-delivered. |
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Post by helenabear on Apr 25, 2024 17:42:02 GMT -5
I was going to post the same thing.....This is not for the Cabins. If it was, why is it not near the cabins and why was it not built to open with the Cabins? Nothing was built to go with the Cabins. And right there is another major problem. There are literally no DVC amenities for the Cabins at FW, no DVC exclusive pool, no community hall, nothing that turns it into a DVC resort except for shiny new cabins. I guess that’s why I hoped it was a community hall, something, anything by way of a DVC amenity. Because without it they are screwed as far as sales go. There is a pool just between the 2500 and the 2700 loop (like right across from the entrance to the 2600 but it's a sad little pool. Given the location it effectively will be the DVC pool. No one else will use it but will probably be marketed like most other resorts (AFAIK only BLT has it's own exclusive pool). Adding a CH for the main guest pool area is a mistake if that's what they're thinking. It needs to be by the other pool if they do. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Apr 26, 2024 6:20:09 GMT -5
I was going to post the same thing.....This is not for the Cabins. If it was, why is it not near the cabins and why was it not built to open with the Cabins? Nothing was built to go with the Cabins. And right there is another major problem. There are literally no DVC amenities for the Cabins at FW, no DVC exclusive pool, no community hall, nothing that turns it into a DVC resort except for shiny new cabins. I guess that’s why I hoped it was a community hall, something, anything by way of a DVC amenity. Because without it they are screwed as far as sales go. And yet with zero amenities, it has the highest maintenance fees.
Look at the last "new" resort and what came with the resort. The Cabins literally has nothing to compare. Heck, The Poly Tower will have a quick service/coffee bar, DVC pool, check-in. It might have a community center. It will not have a gym.
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