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Post by brp on Jul 4, 2023 9:45:25 GMT -5
On the other hand, there is some anecdotal evidence that those who might have otherwise cancelled trips to Florida because of concerns about political repercussions, went ahead and travelled because they intended to stay in the Disney bubble. That's us. Florida is a heinous cesspit of repression, exclusion and revisionist history at the political and legislative level. But the bubble support primarily Disney, even though some does go to Florida.
Cheers.
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Post by bakerworld on Jul 4, 2023 12:24:16 GMT -5
In May we drove to NC for a destination wedding and my youngest's SO was counseled by his family to be careful and not go out alone. None of his family will travel south, specifically Florida, until 'conditions' come to resolution. I've no idea what any of that means but I was a bit taken aback. It had me looking around to see if he was being singled out in any way but I noticed nothing - great trip, great local interactions.
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Post by disney54us on Jul 4, 2023 20:46:02 GMT -5
In May we drove to NC for a destination wedding and my youngest's SO was counseled by his family to be careful and not go out alone. None of his family will travel south, specifically Florida, until 'conditions' come to resolution. I've no idea what any of that means but I was a bit taken aback. It had me looking around to see if he was being singled out in any way but I noticed nothing - great trip, great local interactions. That is just bizarre. Counseled by family? Do they they tell him or her they need a safe space. Conditions of FL. Is laughable. They won’t travel South! Thank goodness not wanted. I travel to Fl outside of the Disney bubble. The conditions you need to be alert to as with anywhere is where not to go so you don’t get robbed, raped or murdered. It’s that simple. Talk about parents effing up their children. not sure what about Fl is exclusionary etc. really? I see all kinds of people, and no one is being mistreated, or excluded. Instead of the Disney bubble get out of the media bubble some read and believes every word they say. Do some research. I guess all those people moving into Fl aren’t concerned…. Though many Floridians prefer they stay where they came from. in business news once again Disney has been downgrade stock wise. Due to hula, espn streaming and the article mentioned under performance of park attendance to what Disney predicted. hey I’m good with less people, sold my Disney stock years ago. |
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Post by john2247 on Jul 5, 2023 5:55:32 GMT -5
Immigrants who work in construction and agriculture leaving Florida, large groups canceling conventions or gatherings in Orlando, etc.
I am surprised we have not heard more about the repercussions of some of the laws passed by DeSantis and some of his Minions. I do believe that the economic impact on Florida will be huge. It has a huge effect on Disney because they depend upon convention attendees spending a day or two at Walt Disney World.
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Jul 5, 2023 6:00:54 GMT -5
Actually park attendance is way down. YMMV as to why. It will be interesting to see how long they offer hotel discounts. Actually, all the articles I can find show that Disney attendance is way up over periods measured, which were for 2022 (even though one says they lost some market share on increasing attendance).
Do you have references for a reduction? Cheers. Just a podcast by Pete Werner, who is in the know. He repeatedly cited how attendance is down and the offers because of it ( ticket discounts, hotel promotions). One reason he cited that the Disney dining plan has not been released to DVC members is that they want to bundle it into the hotel packages to promote sales. That kind of makes sense but why leave money on the table when there might be DVC members who want it? I have seen several pictures posted now showing very low crowd levels. Have you been lately? |
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Post by bakerworld on Jul 5, 2023 6:29:07 GMT -5
In May we drove to NC for a destination wedding and my youngest's SO was counseled by his family to be careful and not go out alone. None of his family will travel south, specifically Florida, until 'conditions' come to resolution. I've no idea what any of that means but I was a bit taken aback. It had me looking around to see if he was being singled out in any way but I noticed nothing - great trip, great local interactions. That is just bizarre. Counseled by family? Do they they tell him or her they need a safe space. Conditions of FL. Is laughable. They won’t travel South! Thank goodness not wanted. I travel to Fl outside of the Disney bubble. The conditions you need to be alert to as with anywhere is where not to go so you don’t get robbed, raped or murdered. It’s that simple. Talk about parents effing up their children. not sure what about Fl is exclusionary etc. really? I see all kinds of people, and no one is being mistreated, or excluded. Instead of the Disney bubble get out of the media bubble some read and believes every word they say. Do some research. I guess all those people moving into Fl aren’t concerned…. Though many Floridians prefer they stay where they came from. I am hoping the family was just buying into media hype. I actually asked my eldest to explain to me why his family would feel that way. (I don't know if it's because she was a teacher for 6 years but she's better at explaining stuff to me in a way I understand.) I was completely taken aback when he said that but luckily he's his own person. He told us that the second night after the wedding, at which he said he had a great time. I was happy for my youngest because she was able to reconnect with some people she had distanced herself from over another relationship. I am curious to see if the reconnect sticks, especially as she was introducing her new partner. But I have to admit as we were doing touristy things the next day, it had me looking around. Can't say I saw anything but it added an edge to the day. BTW, I know I refer to my kids as kids, because they are my kids, but my youngest is 35y.  |
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Post by brp on Jul 5, 2023 8:54:24 GMT -5
]Just a podcast by Pete Werner, who is in the know. He repeatedly cited how attendance is down and the offers because of it ( ticket discounts, hotel promotions). One reason he cited that the Disney dining plan has not been released to DVC members is that they want to bundle it into the hotel packages to promote sales. That kind of makes sense but why leave money on the table when there might be DVC members who want it? I have seen several pictures posted now showing very low crowd levels. Have you been lately? We were there in May, and it seemed business as usual. Then again, we go during the lower crowd times of day and avoid the busier times, so it's possible that they didn't get as busy as expected. When we went, noticed no difference. Long lines for popular rides, medium for others.
Cheers.
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Post by tomandrobin on Jul 5, 2023 10:31:30 GMT -5
Just got back from a quick 4-day trip. We have gone many times over the July 4th weekend and this year was one of the lightest crowd visits we have had for this weekend. On back to back days, Flight of Passage only had a 50 minute posted standby wait at 2pm.
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Post by helenabear on Jul 5, 2023 11:35:50 GMT -5
Our March this year was waaaay worse. June was significantly better than usual. We've done the same week for years. Last year was packed - this year not at all.
I think Disney needs to make it less complicated. People are tired of complicated
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Jul 5, 2023 14:11:14 GMT -5
The down grade in Disney stock mentions attendance.
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Post by disney54us on Jul 5, 2023 19:00:12 GMT -5
Yes the article does mention attendance. Apparently the 100th vs the 50th is not drawing what they anticipated.
Since multi quote doesn’t work for me….
Less complicated would be a delight! As far as Disney goes.
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Post by tomandrobin on Jul 7, 2023 5:37:07 GMT -5
In May we drove to NC for a destination wedding and my youngest's SO was counseled by his family to be careful and not go out alone. None of his family will travel south, specifically Florida, until 'conditions' come to resolution. I've no idea what any of that means but I was a bit taken aback. It had me looking around to see if he was being singled out in any way but I noticed nothing - great trip, great local interactions. Wait.....What?
What are they warning them about? Do NC people seek out Northerners to rob, beat, rape or murder? I have not seen a single news article or Federal Government alert of such activity?
And Florida....What "conditions" needed to be resolved to travel there for vacation? Again, I have seen no reports of attacks or anything....no roaming gangs of Floridians seeking left leaning travelers.
People are weird, irrational and borderline delusional in their fears.
I am more concerned about going to New York then any city in Florida.....and that is based on real crime, not political bias and fear.
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Post by tomandrobin on Jul 7, 2023 5:43:17 GMT -5
Yes the article does mention attendance. Apparently the 100th vs the 50th is not drawing what they anticipated. Since multi quote doesn’t work for me…. Less complicated would be a delight! As far as Disney goes. What I see is that the pent-up covid demand is finally coming to an end. Because of Robin's travel agency, I can see travel trends months before they happen. So between the post covid demand subsiding and the inflation costs catching up, people are starting to look twice before booking a WDW trip.
For example, Robin has a client wanting to go next spring. Right now, for a family of four, they are looking at a cost of around $10k for airfare, room at Coronado Springs, Park Tickets and $1500 in food/spending money. They can afford the trip, but are not pulling the trigger because of that high cost.
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Post by tomandrobin on Jul 7, 2023 5:45:17 GMT -5
BTW, I know I refer to my kids as kids, because they are my kids, but my youngest is 35y.  Same.....Our kids will be 38, 32 and 30 this year. |
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Post by nickys on Jul 7, 2023 6:26:51 GMT -5
Yes the article does mention attendance. Apparently the 100th vs the 50th is not drawing what they anticipated. Since multi quote doesn’t work for me…. Less complicated would be a delight! As far as Disney goes. What I see is that the pent-up covid demand is finally coming to an end. Because of Robin's travel agency, I can see travel trends months before they happen. So between the post covid demand subsiding and the inflation costs catching up, people are starting to look twice before booking a WDW trip.
For example, Robin has a client wanting to go next spring. Right now, for a family of four, they are looking at a cost of around $10k for airfare, room at Coronado Springs, Park Tickets and $1500 in food/spending money. They can afford the trip, but are not pulling the trigger because of that high cost.
Even with our amazing ticket deals, the cost of tickets is more than the cost of the airfare if we travel off-peak. Obviously at Christmas the airfares were higher, but I’ve been looking at the potential cost of a trip outside of the main school holidays (for when I retire) and the park tickets would be the biggest cost. That’s the main reason why I don’t know if or when we will go back. As much as we love iFlorida, it seems ridiculous to spend more money on park tickets alone than it would cost us to have a week away somewhere closer to home. |
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