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Post by lovindisney on Mar 30, 2023 9:33:15 GMT -5
You can't outsmart the mouse!
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Mar 30, 2023 10:24:03 GMT -5
If we go back to the "junior-high" analogy, in a family-friendly sitcom the bully gets "schooled" by the little guy, everybody in the cafeteria laughs at him, and he says "oh shucks" and walks away. In real life, the bully gets schooled, then gets very angry and escalates his next response, sometimes doing whatever he can to make sure "nobody does that to me and gets away with it."
Now all I can see is Biff angrily shouting, "This isn't over, McFly!" in any one of the Back to the Future movies.
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Post by zafiro on Mar 30, 2023 10:43:54 GMT -5
Interesting how people can see, hear, read the same info and come to drastically different conclusions.
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Post by SuzanneSLO on Mar 30, 2023 10:59:32 GMT -5
The Development Agreement seems pretty consistent with the kind of agreements that local governments enter into with developers all the time. The entire purpose of such agreements is to allow developers to spend the substantial sums of money needed without fear that political whims will prevent the project from being completed. If the fact that the Board of RCID was “not independent” is the only factor that distinguishes this agreement, then it would seem that every agreement between RCID and Disney over the last 55 years could be overturned. Certainly would be weird to see those theme parks and hotels operated by the state of Florida, but I guess property rights don’t mean much to some people.
As to the recorded covenant that prevents RCID under its new name from using Disney’s name or intellectual property without Disney’s consent, is that really very different than the current state of affairs? Whatever was done initially, for the last decade or more, I don’t believe that RCID has used either Disney’s name or characters. Dalmatian spots on the side of the fire station is not the same as drawings of Pongo or Perdita.
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Post by Wiltony on Mar 30, 2023 11:42:29 GMT -5
Yeah, this is a small victory, but by no means the end of this. I'm concerned what their Governor's next move may be. He has no scruples and no qualms about playing dirty, whether legal or not.
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Post by nickys on Mar 30, 2023 11:46:06 GMT -5
As to the recorded covenant that prevents RCID under its new name from using Disney’s name or intellectual property without Disney’s consent, is that really very different than the current state of affairs? Whatever was done initially, for the last decade or more, I don’t believe that RCID has used either Disney’s name or characters. Dalmatian spots on the side of the fire station is not the same as drawings of Pongo or Perdita. RCID had no need or desire to use Disney’s name or IPs, because RCID was controlled by Disney. The new entity is technically under De Santis’ control and cannot even use the Disney name. They have no control over anything, since they’re presumably mandated to maintain infrastructure and roads because there are two “cities” within it’s boundaries. And RCID did this transfer of power to Disney at publicly announced meetings with agendas, which anyone could attend. De Santis made the decision to sit on signing off the legislation for weeks, allowing two such meetings to take place in January and February. Len Testa of Touring Plans attended at least one of them, where they were talking about land use. Any of De Santis’ team could have been at those meetings, instead they didn’t bother. That’s on him. Now we know why Disney didn’t fight back, they were already crafting their response with their own lawyers and executed the plan. They even thought of the possible attempt to challenge the “in perpetuity” clause.
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Post by Brian5581 on Mar 30, 2023 12:05:05 GMT -5
Rather amusing, indeed. Admittedly, I am a Disney fan.
Politics I have just about zero interest in, though I always follow what is happening.
As Jamie shows above, what has happened and what will happen can be interpreted completely differently based on what one chooses to believe.
I typically abstain from politics overall, because the vast majority of politicians on all sides are idiots. Particularly when topics which should have no relevance to politics whatsoever become the key talking points. Unfortunately this is the world we live in.
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Post by glenda on Mar 30, 2023 14:26:21 GMT -5
DeSantis cant afford to have a huge high profile case against him for messing around with Walt Disney World when he attempts to run for President. Politically not advisable. The timing on all of this could be catastrophic to his bid to run.
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Post by rigby on Mar 30, 2023 14:49:44 GMT -5
The part about King Charles descendants made me laugh out loud.
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Post by helenabear on Mar 30, 2023 17:27:25 GMT -5
Interesting how people can see, hear, read the same info and come to drastically different conclusions. Yes biases of all types can really distort what people feel or think for many. To make this lighthearted because it's just savage what was written, a friend posted this today. All in fun.
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Post by dmkedm on Mar 30, 2023 17:52:56 GMT -5
You go Disney!!!!!!
No idea how this will play out--the courts (state first, potentially SCOTUS if it turns out there's a fed'l (Constitutional) question about interfering with contracts) are unpredictable. But my money's on the Mouse.....
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Post by jflatto on Mar 30, 2023 17:55:08 GMT -5
Yes biases of all types can really distort what people feel or think for many. To make this lighthearted because it's just savage what was written, a friend posted this today. All in fun. Maybe the button is implying that we need to give Disneyworld (or Florida or the United States back to the British). There are days when I think that would be an improvement considering our current politicians. Then I consider the British politicians and think it may not be an improvement.
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Post by broganmc on Mar 30, 2023 17:56:26 GMT -5
Exactly. Interesting how people can see, hear, read the same info and come to drastically different conclusions. What is going to be at play here is could a Corporate Controlled government entity commit a succeeding governemnt entity board to a 30 year path? I believe you will find the state will argue that the contracts are invalid because there was not an arms length position of the previous RCID Board and they were not independent. Likely the FL Courts, mostly controlled by conservatives, will agree. Question is will SCOTUS.
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Post by helenabear on Mar 30, 2023 18:22:05 GMT -5
Yes biases of all types can really distort what people feel or think for many. To make this lighthearted because it's just savage what was written, a friend posted this today. All in fun. Maybe the button is implying that we need to give Disneyworld (or Florida or the United States back to the British). There are days when I think that would be an improvement considering our current politicians. Then I consider the British politicians and think it may not be an improvement. I think you need to read this claused that was signed off to understand. "Declaration shall continue in effect until 21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, King of England, living as of the date of this declaration" So not at all anything to do with UK politics or even a remark about the royalty. Definitely no hidden meaning here, just poking fun at the clause that was signed off on that mentioned King Charles III & descendants
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Post by neednewpark on Mar 31, 2023 13:54:16 GMT -5
So close this thread skirts politics.
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