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Post by brp on Aug 21, 2023 16:43:46 GMT -5
Ahem.... I have a busy night and won't have time to week posts pushing a political leaning until late. Remember we have a debate board for this  Apologies. From what has been going on in this thread, I thought it was in the debate board. Since I use the lovely "New Posts" link, I don't see where a post lives unless I look in more detail.
I will try to refrain from jumping beyond that facts and direct interpretation thereof in this thread.
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on Aug 21, 2023 17:34:54 GMT -5
Ahem.... I have a busy night and won't have time to week posts pushing a political leaning until late. Remember we have a debate board for this Apologies. From what has been going on in this thread, I thought it was in the debate board. Since I use the lovely "New Posts" link, I don't see where a post lives unless I look in more detail. I will try to refrain from jumping beyond that facts and direct interpretation thereof in this thread. Cheers. It's all good! I get that it is harder to know where you are when you click like that (I sure do as well). |
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Post by rigby on Aug 21, 2023 19:30:25 GMT -5
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Post by helenabear on Aug 22, 2023 8:26:54 GMT -5
Just as an FYI I renamed this thread to keep it to news and not politics. Check the debate board - which no threads for there will show at the top of the main page - for DeSantis talk.
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Aug 22, 2023 8:52:07 GMT -5
I may be simple, but I clicked on that article and I will just say that it makes me smile when I see the standard picture of Mickey's face on the passholder logo |
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Post by brp on Aug 22, 2023 9:11:33 GMT -5
The damaging PR towards Disney has tarnished the brand and will take a decade to rebuild. We can agree to disagree on this. I guess it depends upon ones view on the issues. I see no impact at all to the "Disney brand" as a result of this. Just another legal battle that, really, most people don't care about. The movie issues you've alluded to elsewhere likely have done far more to the Disney reputation than this kerfuffle.
For many, though - including the LGBTQ+ community (including supporters like me), who are a large contingent of Disney fans, this has considerably raised their image.
While some numbers posted elsewhere seem to show a small drop in attendance (not borne out by the onsite experience), not sure it can be attributed to this. I do agree with your point about the lawyers being the ultimate winners. Cheers. |
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Aug 22, 2023 9:36:24 GMT -5
Just another legal battle that, really, most people don't care about. Ha, you're not wrong there! Those of us in our little world here on this board and maybe others, this is a big deal...but for the other 99.999% of the country, they probably would say "huh?" followed shortly by, "Hey did you see that tiktok video with the dog and the skateboard" or something like that. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Aug 22, 2023 10:23:13 GMT -5
The damaging PR towards Disney has tarnished the brand and will take a decade to rebuild. We can agree to disagree on this. I guess it depends upon ones view on the issues. I see no impact at all to the "Disney brand" as a result of this. Just another legal battle that, really, most people don't care about. The movie issues you've alluded to elsewhere likely have done far more to the Disney reputation than this kerfuffle.
For many, though - including the LGBTQ+ community (including supporters like me), who are a large contingent of Disney fans, this has considerably raised their image.
While some numbers posted elsewhere seem to show a small drop in attendance (not borne out by the onsite experience), not sure it can be attributed to this. I do agree with your point about the lawyers being the ultimate winners. Cheers. It has nothing to do with political view(s).....I am only referring to actual polls,studies and consumer reports on brands. Disney as a brand has taken significant hits since all this started. These are not my opinions, just facts as presented. Disney's choices and at times, lack of choices are hurting them across all segments. To state that the legal fighting between the State of Florida and Disney (Iger) has no impact is your opinion and not based on facts. But this is where your political leanings show....Polls show there is a huge partisan split between Republicans and Democrats, with Independents more evenly split. So basically half the people support, half don't support. If only 50% are supporting, that means 50% are not. That is your brand taking a hit. The goal for all companies is to have 100% brand support, not 50%.
This is the Axios Harris Ranking of Reputation Rankings (the industry leader) Year Rank Score Drop/Rise 2019 5 80.4 - 2020 23 77.4 18 2021 37 76.7 14 2020 65 73.4 28 2023 77 70.9 12
Like I wrote above, numbers don't lie.
The LGBTQ+ community had already supported Disney before all this fighting....there is little to no change with that level of support. If they were 90% behind Disney prior, going to 95% of a small percentage of the population is not a huge win for the brand. And again to correct your opinion of the "large" contingent of fans....What kind of numbers do you think that is? Currently, about 7% of Americans identify as LGBTQ+ and statistically the number of people that support Disney is not going to be 100%.
Attendance is dropping....some is because of the fighting, some is because of disagreeing with pushing ideology, some is because they are priced out. Obviously, I have an in with Disney travel because of Robin's business, plus adding in my own travel experiences. Robin has had more people turn away from Disney in the past year because of pricing and not being able to afford Disney. Two weekends ago, we went to Great Wolf Lodge that just opened in Perryville. We talked to people during our stay and of course, conversation drifted to Disney since its our go to place. It was surprising how many people were there because they couldn't afford a Disney vacation. Now granted, our conversations were a small sampling but it still was surprising it came up. FYI in case anyone wants to know, Great Wolf Lodge was a lot of fun. The boys had a great time at the waterpark and doing the other activities.
Disney will never be devoid of visitors and Disney is still controlling the flow of visitors. But the affordability of families to visit is becoming increasingly difficult for many. DVC has allowed for Disney to always have a steady flow the Disney Parks. The 2008 recession showed how much of an impact DVC was to WDW park attendance. We are a committed group to Disney.
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Post by tomandrobin on Aug 22, 2023 10:25:51 GMT -5
Just another legal battle that, really, most people don't care about. Ha, you're not wrong there! Those of us in our little world here on this board and maybe others, this is a big deal...but for the other 99.999% of the country, they probably would say "huh?" followed shortly by, "Hey did you see that tiktok video with the dog and the skateboard" or something like that. I agree that many don't care, maybe the fringe 10% of each political side. But the on going negative headlines do weigh on Disney and the State of Florida. |
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Post by helenabear on Aug 22, 2023 11:11:37 GMT -5
Disney will never be devoid of visitors and Disney is still controlling the flow of visitors. But the affordability of families to visit is becoming increasingly difficult for many. DVC has allowed for Disney to always have a steady flow the Disney Parks. The 2008 recession showed how much of an impact DVC was to WDW park attendance. We are a committed group to Disney.
This is a real issue. The cost and honestly adding in the ease of planning. People are annoyed. They don't want to spend that much money to have to plan out in stupid ways. It's not a value even to those who can afford it. Never mind those who just go "nope" to it all in the first place because it is costly. We definitely are the committed group to going. They're still idiots for doing the whole tiers the way they did with resale and crap, but that's on them. The cabins make me question their sanity too. Unless they plan to sell those for cheap, I am not sure they're barking up the right tree. But people are tired of costs being so high even if they can afford it when it's a pain to plan. I actually even tell people to go elsewhere. |
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Post by disney54us on Aug 22, 2023 12:08:52 GMT -5
Disney will never be devoid of visitors and Disney is still controlling the flow of visitors. But the affordability of families to visit is becoming increasingly difficult for many. DVC has allowed for Disney to always have a steady flow the Disney Parks. The 2008 recession showed how much of an impact DVC was to WDW park attendance. We are a committed group to Disney.
This is a real issue. The cost and honestly adding in the ease of planning. People are annoyed. They don't want to spend that much money to have to plan out in stupid ways. It's not a value even to those who can afford it. Never mind those who just go "nope" to it all in the first place because it is costly. We definitely are the committed group to going. They're still idiots for doing the whole tiers the way they did with resale and crap, but that's on them. The cabins make me question their sanity too. Unless they plan to sell those for cheap, I am not sure they're barking up the right tree. But people are tired of costs being so high even if they can afford it when it's a pain to plan. I actually even tell people to go elsewhere. You just tell people to go elsewhere, to keep crowds down when you go, lol. It seems the decision makers of years ago are no longer, that made Disney magical . I’m sure as long as they were doing well, they didn’t care what people thought, now decisions they have made are hitting their bottom line. You can’t price gauge people to death and expect them to take it. It comes a point when you just price yourself out. They have made a lot of bad decisions across the board. I still don’t get what they were or are thinking with the Cabins, this should be interesting to see the pricing and how well it sells, or doesn’t. Tourism overall is down in many areas, though. Being in a beach area the amount of vacancy signs I have seen this summer was amazing. Even on 4th of July week. You never saw that in years past. Restaurants haven’t been as busy. For various reasons, cruising is back so when that was shut down people traveled instead. Inflation, all that extra Covid money is no longer. For those who have the money to spend they may not have as much disposable income when they are paying more for everything. |
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Post by dlwdwdvc on Aug 22, 2023 12:15:31 GMT -5
I think Disney is playing a dishonest game and that is what upsets me the most…
They. have changed the game board and the rules are basically We want your money but not the responsibility and we can sell off every piece because the name of the game is DISNEY and for some reason everybody thinks that is how to win .
It’s like Monopoly to the Max … only bigger.
And nobody has to worry about ending up in Jail, They own the get out free card .
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Post by tomandrobin on Aug 22, 2023 12:18:53 GMT -5
This is a real issue. The cost and honestly adding in the ease of planning. People are annoyed. They don't want to spend that much money to have to plan out in stupid ways. It's not a value even to those who can afford it. Never mind those who just go "nope" to it all in the first place because it is costly. We definitely are the committed group to going. They're still idiots for doing the whole tiers the way they did with resale and crap, but that's on them. The cabins make me question their sanity too. Unless they plan to sell those for cheap, I am not sure they're barking up the right tree. But people are tired of costs being so high even if they can afford it when it's a pain to plan. I actually even tell people to go elsewhere. The reasons for the Fort Wilderness Villas......
1. Cheap to build 2. The existing cabins were old and needed to be replaced.
3. DVC will pay for all the infrastructure and upgrades to the resort and pss the costs to the owners.
4. DVC will end up paying for at least half of all future costs of the resort......staff, amenities, activities, etc.
5. Cabin reservations have been declining for years and this will generate guaranteed income.
Disney has discovered over the years that adding DVC to an existing hotel has tremendous benefits to its bottom line. Having DVC pay for the infrastructure and amenities at the resort, then having DVC pick-up the tab for the employees is a huge off-loading of costs. Then after the resort is done, Disney will rent out the extra rooms. Also, over the next 50 years, DVC will pay for all the maintenance, refurbishments and upgrades at the shared resort.
Win Win Win all the way around for Disney.
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Post by tomandrobin on Aug 22, 2023 12:19:49 GMT -5
Just wait until Disney starts selling off pieces of the company. Its coming.....
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Post by helenabear on Aug 22, 2023 12:27:19 GMT -5
This is a real issue. The cost and honestly adding in the ease of planning. People are annoyed. They don't want to spend that much money to have to plan out in stupid ways. It's not a value even to those who can afford it. Never mind those who just go "nope" to it all in the first place because it is costly. We definitely are the committed group to going. They're still idiots for doing the whole tiers the way they did with resale and crap, but that's on them. The cabins make me question their sanity too. Unless they plan to sell those for cheap, I am not sure they're barking up the right tree. But people are tired of costs being so high even if they can afford it when it's a pain to plan. I actually even tell people to go elsewhere. The reasons for the Fort Wilderness Villas...... 1. Cheap to build 2. The existing cabins were old and needed to be replaced.
3. DVC will pay for all the infrastructure and upgrades to the resort and pss the costs to the owners.
4. DVC will end up paying for at least half of all future costs of the resort......staff, amenities, activities, etc.
5. Cabin reservations have been declining for years and this will generate guaranteed income.
Disney has discovered over the years that adding DVC to an existing hotel has tremendous benefits to its bottom line. Having DVC pay for the infrastructure and amenities at the resort, then having DVC pick-up the tab for the employees is a huge off-loading of costs. Then after the resort is done, Disney will rent out the extra rooms. Also, over the next 50 years, DVC will pay for all the maintenance, refurbishments and upgrades at the shared resort.
Win Win Win all the way around for Disney.
unless they become the next Aulani... The decline in booking works for DVC in deluxe resorts. I question if it will translate well to the cabins honestly. I mean I get the rest but I think they're being a bit short sighted. |
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