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Post by BWV Dreamin on Aug 5, 2023 20:39:56 GMT -5
Does anyone remember “Carol” as a moderator? She was a Beeeach! She suspended me for I can’t remember how long for participating in a thread she said violated their rules. Wasn’t even about my post! I cant even remember what the thread was about. She was around from 2007 to 2014? I think? She stopped showing up as a moderator so I figured she left. This was on the DVC threads.
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Post by helenabear on Aug 5, 2023 20:53:27 GMT -5
There was a mod purge. I wonder if she left then. I do remember her. A few super mods. Though it seems one has selective memory on the bannings by DIS. Otherwise only that one was decent to others. I'm not sure why some stayed knowing what they knew.
As for DVCMike a thief is the opposite of good christian. I kept that email for years to remind me not to join a site intentionally that stole or crapped on another. Not defending any owner who bans simply out of spite, but some is understandable at least.
One thing I've learned in all my forum years is that heavy handed moderation and censorship leads to bad things. After being in groups that allow most (though one we don't allow swearing or politics per the owner which I get, but as a foul mouthed person I prefer otherwise) I find most do well. Limit the spammers and let most go.
Reading through the DIS story really was rough. I hope that if any of us here are intentionally rude consistently, call us out. Keep us humble. I like the family feel here.
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Post by pooh bears mom on Aug 5, 2023 21:30:24 GMT -5
I like the family feel here. Totally agree.  |
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Post by janebanks on Aug 6, 2023 2:01:04 GMT -5
I joined the DIS way back in 2002, when I was searching info on DVC before we joined.
I'm not a wordy person, so don't really participate much, here or there if I think about it. I post more here and on the former mouseowners than anywhere else, but not a whole lot. I stopped visiting the DIS as much after ban-gate, I thought the whole thing was so bizarre and controlling.
Was also a member on Intercot, if anyone remembers that forum.
This whole thing has been shocking, and yet in some ways not. PW could be so abrasive and demeaning on the youtube shows.
I truly feel for all those employees, past and present, that have been affected by this.
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Post by nickys on Aug 6, 2023 5:04:13 GMT -5
I have to step in here to defend DVCMike, or Mike Prewitt by birth. He was a good man who died a slow and demeaning death suffering from Parkinsons; but as an Evangelical Christian, he had peace and assurance of his future. When he left MO and started DVCInfo, I joined him as a moderator there and then was immediately banned (with extreme prejudice) from MO despite my constant participation and numerous "photo loaded" trip reports. I wanted to participate in both forums (MO and DVCInfo) and I don't understand why everyone was so snarky and weird. Mike started DVCInfo from his love of Disney and his amazing talent in photography, and he did it all on his own dime, with no advertising...he funded it all himself to share his extensive knowledge of DVC with anyone who was interested, with no financial competition for MO. His widow is lovely, too. After he was diagnosed with Parkinsons, DVCMike sold DVCInfo to Russ Clark, who is also a nice guy, but Russ added advertising and eventually partnered with DVCNews, and it's all gone downhill from there. There are probably lots of folks here (cough....Jamie....cough) who saw the potential of DVCInfo, and then its slow decline. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, I had an uncle and a godfather who both had Parkinson’s. Horrible disease. However it was the fact he stole the data from MO and then shut the site down that is why people who were around at the time were so angry. Leaving and starting your own site is fine, sabotaging a site for which you wee a moderator is not. |
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Post by helenabear on Aug 6, 2023 7:44:24 GMT -5
I have to step in here to defend DVCMike, or Mike Prewitt by birth. He was a good man who died a slow and demeaning death suffering from Parkinsons; but as an Evangelical Christian, he had peace and assurance of his future. When he left MO and started DVCInfo, I joined him as a moderator there and then was immediately banned (with extreme prejudice) from MO despite my constant participation and numerous "photo loaded" trip reports. I wanted to participate in both forums (MO and DVCInfo) and I don't understand why everyone was so snarky and weird. Mike started DVCInfo from his love of Disney and his amazing talent in photography, and he did it all on his own dime, with no advertising...he funded it all himself to share his extensive knowledge of DVC with anyone who was interested, with no financial competition for MO. His widow is lovely, too. After he was diagnosed with Parkinsons, DVCMike sold DVCInfo to Russ Clark, who is also a nice guy, but Russ added advertising and eventually partnered with DVCNews, and it's all gone downhill from there. There are probably lots of folks here (cough....Jamie....cough) who saw the potential of DVCInfo, and then its slow decline. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, I had an uncle and a godfather who both had Parkinson’s. Horrible disease. However it was the fact he stole the data from MO and then shut the site down that is why people who were around at the time were so angry. Leaving and starting your own site is fine, sabotaging a site for which you wee a moderator is not. Well stated! |
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Post by donalddork on Aug 6, 2023 10:16:16 GMT -5
I have to step in here to defend DVCMike, or Mike Prewitt by birth. He was a good man who died a slow and demeaning death suffering from Parkinsons; but as an Evangelical Christian, he had peace and assurance of his future. When he left MO and started DVCInfo, I joined him as a moderator there and then was immediately banned (with extreme prejudice) from MO despite my constant participation and numerous "photo loaded" trip reports. I wanted to participate in both forums (MO and DVCInfo) and I don't understand why everyone was so snarky and weird. Mike started DVCInfo from his love of Disney and his amazing talent in photography, and he did it all on his own dime, with no advertising...he funded it all himself to share his extensive knowledge of DVC with anyone who was interested, with no financial competition for MO. His widow is lovely, too. After he was diagnosed with Parkinsons, DVCMike sold DVCInfo to Russ Clark, who is also a nice guy, but Russ added advertising and eventually partnered with DVCNews, and it's all gone downhill from there. There are probably lots of folks here (cough....Jamie....cough) who saw the potential of DVCInfo, and then its slow decline. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, I had an uncle and a godfather who both had Parkinson’s. Horrible disease. However it was the fact he stole the data from MO and then shut the site down that is why people who were around at the time were so angry. Leaving and starting your own site is fine, sabotaging a site for which you wee a moderator is not. I wasn't involved in any of this, and I only know Mike's side of the story, which is that he personally built a TON of content on MO that was meant to help people learn DVC and navigate the process. This was his personal content, and when he started DVCInfo, that was the content he took...his own content. |
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Post by dlwdwdvc on Aug 6, 2023 10:44:49 GMT -5
I always believe there are 3 sides to every story… but I also believe the owner for Mouseowners and Creator of DVCInfo would not want there names in this discussion .
Please consider removing the comments out of respect for Mouseowners and sympathy for the family of DVCMike .
I know a bare minimum of truth that night… The owners were on vacation and DVCMike was asked to monitor , I think
One minute Mike was trying to sell something on the mouse owners site and I’m pretty sure that was not allowed and maybe Mike was prpeparing to start his own site… ( possibly …) and “saving”information … this was 2-4 a.m. and
thought to myself
I have a bad feeling about this .and immediately the site was closed and shut down … I don’t recall the owners ever actually discussing this online except as information that MouseOwners would return … I think the gossip has filled in a little detail but reallly liked and respected the owner and creator of MouseOwners because she did not need Disney to give her any perks to keep her site popular … I was heartbroken when I was banned but I don’t believe she could have caused any further harm to a person that has a severe health issue with very little hope. Why continue to have anger in your heart? You don’t need to forgive but you can forget . I guess .
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Post by johnb on Aug 6, 2023 12:34:29 GMT -5
I will say it was always baffling to me how so many worshipped that guy. Many knew he was a jerk. Did others just think it was sour grapes? I've always found the worship thing odd when it comes to any WDW-related site. I'm sure it exists in other fan-based message boards/blogs/vlogs, too. TGM was taking new memberships when he hadn't updated content in months (years??) and if you called him out in the forums, you'd get members and mods defending him. Weird. Same for easywdw. Josh was witty at times, and downright rude/nasty at times, and if you pointed out the nastiness, you'd get jumped on or get blocked. The hero worship on Disboards was another level of crazy. Even the mods had (maybe still have, I don't know) their "bodyguards" to bash anyone who questions/criticizes a mod. It's all very bizarre to me. |
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Post by helenabear on Aug 6, 2023 12:35:16 GMT -5
I won't moderate other people's comments unless completely offensive or accidentally posting super personal information like phone numbers or addresses. Even politics talks don't get moderated out, just moved to the debate board out of request of many who want that talk taken elsewhere to make posting more lighthearted. I'm good with that honestly.
In short I am not removing names as this is what people chose to share. They may edit themselves. If they want subsequent quoted posts edited they can tag me using @ then admin and I will look.
There are many sides to the story and while some may have been seen by each party as justified, there likely is some bias and wrong doing they fail to see. No one is usually as innocent as they claim to be no matter what.
I don't want this thread turning into a shit on each other fest either. I actually want to respect one of Pete's victims who say keep the conversation going about what happened but direct all anger towards Pete and no one else. I get some parallels and I think if people want to discuss it's fine, but maybe elsewhere out of respect for the victims? Just a thought, not a requirement of course.
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Post by mustinjourney on Aug 6, 2023 14:14:32 GMT -5
That must have been before my time. I always wondered, though, about the person who left MO (also before my time) and took the database (or something - the whole story seemed almost like a legend the way it was treated on the old board). At first, I thought it was Pete Werner, but apparently not. Well.....That would be DVCMike, not to be confused with DelawareMike.....both were MO moderators. Why Kim never sought criminal or civil against him, I don't understand. Mike was angry with Kim. Stole the MO database, including personal info from its members. Then he literally deleted the server and shut down the site. But just like the story in Spaceship Earth, all was not lost....there was a back-up and Eric (Kim's husband) was able to have everything restored by the next morning. Mike also tried shutting down the MO facebook group, but forgot I was also an Admin of the site and was able to undo those changes too. Mike went on to start DVC Info website, which is no longer run by him.
Why are there so many assholes associated with Disney blogs/forums/influencers? is AJ from DFB at least a decent human? I don’t know if I can take anymore fallen heroes. |
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Post by leftcoaster on Aug 6, 2023 16:39:46 GMT -5
Well.....That would be DVCMike, not to be confused with DelawareMike.....both were MO moderators. Why Kim never sought criminal or civil against him, I don't understand. Mike was angry with Kim. Stole the MO database, including personal info from its members. Then he literally deleted the server and shut down the site. But just like the story in Spaceship Earth, all was not lost....there was a back-up and Eric (Kim's husband) was able to have everything restored by the next morning. Mike also tried shutting down the MO facebook group, but forgot I was also an Admin of the site and was able to undo those changes too. Mike went on to start DVC Info website, which is no longer run by him.
Why are there so many assholes associated with Disney blogs/forums/influencers? is AJ from DFB at least a decent human? I don’t know if I can take anymore fallen heroes. Social media attention / attention whores / money is one part. Disney is also easy to do for content. Finally, there seems to be an addiction component to Disney. |
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Post by annamaria on Aug 7, 2023 5:12:17 GMT -5
I am also on the DVCInfo site - as well as dis and TUG. Most of the time, I am not on them long enough to realize/know what is going on. I would prefer to stay out of any drama too. I figured something happened with MO and Mike a little while after the site started since it was eventually mentioned briefly on MO once or twice. Never knew some of the details/until later on and now a bit more. I like both sites/smaller community. I have met a few great people on the MO site and another board that is long gone but friendship still remains.
Hoping it's not frowned up for the few people who are on both/all the sites............it is my five unites of browsing/searching/learning while I have a cup of coffee.
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Post by tomandrobin on Aug 7, 2023 6:01:56 GMT -5
I have to step in here to defend DVCMike, or Mike Prewitt by birth. He was a good man who died a slow and demeaning death suffering from Parkinsons; but as an Evangelical Christian, he had peace and assurance of his future. When he left MO and started DVCInfo, I joined him as a moderator there and then was immediately banned (with extreme prejudice) from MO despite my constant participation and numerous "photo loaded" trip reports. I wanted to participate in both forums (MO and DVCInfo) and I don't understand why everyone was so snarky and weird. Mike started DVCInfo from his love of Disney and his amazing talent in photography, and he did it all on his own dime, with no advertising...he funded it all himself to share his extensive knowledge of DVC with anyone who was interested, with no financial competition for MO. His widow is lovely, too. After he was diagnosed with Parkinsons, DVCMike sold DVCInfo to Russ Clark, who is also a nice guy, but Russ added advertising and eventually partnered with DVCNews, and it's all gone downhill from there. There are probably lots of folks here (cough....Jamie....cough) who saw the potential of DVCInfo, and then its slow decline. Sorry....I am going to strongly disagree with you. He was not a good man. Good men do not steal. A Good man does not purposely destroy a server with the intent of shutting down a website. A good man would not fabricate a story to justify his theft and destruction. Your banning was due to association of the person who tried to destroy MO. That extensive knowledge of DVC was stolen from MO. I was a moderator on MO well before DVC Mike. Mike did not create all that stuff, he just repackage and fluffed up the stuff he stole.
Coming from someone who has literally given 1000's of hours to MO over the years.....all unpaid, moderating and producing content, it STILL pisses me off what he did.
I have no beef with Russ.
DVCnews history goes back to the beginning. Tim was the original owner of MO and DVCNews was the result of the first MO split.
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Post by tomandrobin on Aug 7, 2023 6:15:07 GMT -5
I wasn't involved in any of this, and I only know Mike's side of the story, which is that he personally built a TON of content on MO that was meant to help people learn DVC and navigate the process. This was his personal content, and when he started DVCInfo, that was the content he took...his own content. Yeah....Mike was all about self promoting. He "remade/repackaged" a lot of existing information and called it his own. The MO site was exactly what he said he made his site to be......just like MO was, a site dedicated to helping people buy and use DVC. Whis is similar to what DVCnews is, except Tim just wanted to focus on DVC news.
Ha....That F--ker was such a liar and narcissist, covering his ass. He took it all, including illegally taking the MO user private data information....names, emails, etc.
Kim always asked us not to keep bringing it up, so I mostly just left it alone. But Kim is gone and Mike is dead......I am free to speak finally.
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