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Post by henrycpa on Dec 14, 2023 15:14:05 GMT -5
I am guessing this is for new resorts going forward. I am certainly not willing to give up my 11 month advantage at BCV, BWV, and VGF. SSR, we can talk.
But, I personally do not like it. I like having an advantage of 11 months at the locations I have chosen to purchase into.
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Post by brp on Dec 14, 2023 15:27:30 GMT -5
I am guessing this is for new resorts going forward. I am certainly not willing to give up my 11 month advantage at BCV, BWV, and VGF. SSR, we can talk. But, I personally do not like it. I like having an advantage of 11 months at the locations I have chosen to purchase into. Yup. As I suggested above, no way that they can force this on existing owners. Not gonna happen. And I concur with your sentiment here.
Cheers.
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Post by nickys on Dec 14, 2023 15:30:26 GMT -5
I am guessing this is for new resorts going forward. I am certainly not willing to give up my 11 month advantage at BCV, BWV, and VGF. SSR, we can talk. But, I personally do not like it. I like having an advantage of 11 months at the locations I have chosen to purchase into. If they ROFRd enough points they could include current resorts by adding those points to the Trust. Which as far as I see will impact existing owners, and not n a good way. For simplicity let’s say they acquirev100 points in AKV, BCV, CCV, Poly and RIV. If they sell 100 points (the minimum buy-in) to 5 new owners, then all 5 owners now have home booking priority at those 5 resorts and could use all their points at one of them, despite technically only having 20 points in each. Whereas under the current system only 1 person could buy the 100 points at AKV and have home priority. |
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Post by baymaxfan on Dec 14, 2023 16:15:11 GMT -5
I am guessing this is for new resorts going forward. I am certainly not willing to give up my 11 month advantage at BCV, BWV, and VGF. SSR, we can talk. But, I personally do not like it. I like having an advantage of 11 months at the locations I have chosen to purchase into. If they ROFRd enough points they could include current resorts by adding those points to the Trust. Which as far as I see will impact existing owners, and not n a good way. For simplicity let’s say they acquirev100 points in AKV, BCV, CCV, Poly and RIV. If they sell 100 points (the minimum buy-in) to 5 new owners, then all 5 owners now have home booking priority at those 5 resorts and could use all their points at one of them, despite technically only having 20 points in each. Whereas under the current system only 1 person could buy the 100 points at AKV and have home priority. This is exactly the scenario I've also considered. |
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Post by helenabear on Dec 14, 2023 16:20:28 GMT -5
I am guessing this is for new resorts going forward. I am certainly not willing to give up my 11 month advantage at BCV, BWV, and VGF. SSR, we can talk. But, I personally do not like it. I like having an advantage of 11 months at the locations I have chosen to purchase into. If they ROFRd enough points they could include current resorts by adding those points to the Trust. Which as far as I see will impact existing owners, and not n a good way. For simplicity let’s say they acquirev100 points in AKV, BCV, CCV, Poly and RIV. If they sell 100 points (the minimum buy-in) to 5 new owners, then all 5 owners now have home booking priority at those 5 resorts and could use all their points at one of them, despite technically only having 20 points in each. Whereas under the current system only 1 person could buy the 100 points at AKV and have home priority. Could you imagine the reality of this though? Disney IT can barely keep us straight. I really do chalk this up to trying to look like they are relevant and not actual things Disney would do quickly. Unless they create a whole new package of time shares. Even then it will take a while to get it moving. Personally I'm still waiting on park reservations to end almost 4 years after covid started and look where we are. |
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Post by brp on Dec 14, 2023 16:30:31 GMT -5
If they ROFRd enough points they could include current resorts by adding those points to the Trust. Which as far as I see will impact existing owners, and not n a good way. For simplicity let’s say they acquirev100 points in AKV, BCV, CCV, Poly and RIV. If they sell 100 points (the minimum buy-in) to 5 new owners, then all 5 owners now have home booking priority at those 5 resorts and could use all their points at one of them, despite technically only having 20 points in each. Whereas under the current system only 1 person could buy the 100 points at AKV and have home priority. Could you imagine the reality of this though? Disney IT can barely keep us straight. I really do chalk this up to trying to look like they are relevant and not actual things Disney would do quickly. Unless they create a whole new package of time shares. Even then it will take a while to get it moving. If they can make more money with this approach, suddenly IT will be hiring and work better. The user experience is not as important to the bottom line. Personally I'm still waiting on park reservations to end almost 4 years after covid started and look where we are. To be fair, this is not something they're trying to do and failing. This is something that they don't yet want to do. And the reality is that this works very well and very reliably within their parameters. So I see this as a completely separate issue and not related to ability to pull something off. They tried to implement the reservations and they did it very well, again within their parameters. Cheers. |
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Post by helenabear on Dec 14, 2023 16:40:55 GMT -5
Could you imagine the reality of this though? Disney IT can barely keep us straight. I really do chalk this up to trying to look like they are relevant and not actual things Disney would do quickly. Unless they create a whole new package of time shares. Even then it will take a while to get it moving. If they can make more money with this approach, suddenly IT will be hiring and work better. The user experience is not as important to the bottom line. Personally I'm still waiting on park reservations to end almost 4 years after covid started and look where we are. To be fair, this is not something they're trying to do and failing. This is something that they don't yet want to do. And the reality is that this works very well and very reliably within their parameters. So I see this as a completely separate issue and not related to ability to pull something off. They tried to implement the reservations and they did it very well, again within their parameters. Cheers. This is something they are unable to unwind. Not that they are failing just that Disney speed and what others expect are different. So understand it's me remarking on how slow it moves, not just ability. Though with IT it breaking or not working as intended all the time is a concern. Heck they couldn't even get AKL right at one point. They'll move slow if this happens. Which to me is still a big if and likely not happening soon if ever. As an IT chick it's not about getting money in. They don't invest correctly in many aspects of a solid IT department. And it's not about money either. |
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Post by nickys on Dec 14, 2023 16:59:03 GMT -5
If they can make more money with this approach, suddenly IT will be hiring and work better. The user experience is not as important to the bottom line. To be fair, this is not something they're trying to do and failing. This is something that they don't yet want to do. And the reality is that this works very well and very reliably within their parameters. So I see this as a completely separate issue and not related to ability to pull something off. They tried to implement the reservations and they did it very well, again within their parameters. Cheers. This is something they are unable to unwind. Not that they are failing just that Disney speed and what others expect are different. So understand it's me remarking on how slow it moves, not just ability. Though with IT it breaking or not working as intended all the time is a concern. Heck they couldn't even get AKL right at one point. They'll move slow if this happens. Which to me is still a big if and likely not happening soon if ever. As an IT chick it's not about getting money in. They don't invest correctly in many aspects of a solid IT department. And it's not about money either. I’m fairly sure DVC do not have their own IT department. Any changes they need or want have to be prioritised against all the other Disney IT needs. Which is also why the international sites are so crap and don’t always get fully updated. For example I was told that the StarCruiser was “not relevant” for international guests so they were not putting in formation on those sites. |
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Post by helenabear on Dec 14, 2023 18:24:45 GMT -5
This is something they are unable to unwind. Not that they are failing just that Disney speed and what others expect are different. So understand it's me remarking on how slow it moves, not just ability. Though with IT it breaking or not working as intended all the time is a concern. Heck they couldn't even get AKL right at one point. They'll move slow if this happens. Which to me is still a big if and likely not happening soon if ever. As an IT chick it's not about getting money in. They don't invest correctly in many aspects of a solid IT department. And it's not about money either. I’m fairly sure DVC do not have their own IT department. Any changes they need or want have to be prioritised against all the other Disney IT needs. Which is also why the international sites are so crap and don’t always get fully updated. For example I was told that the StarCruiser was “not relevant” for international guests so they were not putting in formation on those sites. I'm very sure each division is separated to in many ways and divided into many subgroups, but under one big umbrella. You'll have developers separate from databas and on and on. Save a mom and pop company IT is very broad in who they employ and they don't all work seamlessly together. That would likely be why international sites suck for WDW but US sites are separate. Lots of division within (like our university each department has its own IT - they don't share but you can transfer if qualified) . The overall umbrella though really works hard on form and never function. It's been this way from day one. The more convoluted the back end, the more convoluted our experience is. But yes, I do believe DVC would have it's own subgroup based in what past IT workers there have said. In general IT is so specialized that you have to divide it out. What I do for work, my spouse who is also IT could never do to my level and vice versa. But as a whole the Disney umbrella for IT is pretty lousy. |
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Post by Brian5581 on Dec 14, 2023 22:17:27 GMT -5
Intriguing… not expecting anything anytime soon.
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Post by tomandrobin on Dec 15, 2023 9:35:18 GMT -5
This is something they are unable to unwind. Not that they are failing just that Disney speed and what others expect are different. So understand it's me remarking on how slow it moves, not just ability. Though with IT it breaking or not working as intended all the time is a concern. Heck they couldn't even get AKL right at one point. They'll move slow if this happens. Which to me is still a big if and likely not happening soon if ever. As an IT chick it's not about getting money in. They don't invest correctly in many aspects of a solid IT department. And it's not about money either. I’m fairly sure DVC do not have their own IT department. Any changes they need or want have to be prioritised against all the other Disney IT needs. Which is also why the international sites are so crap and don’t always get fully updated. For example I was told that the StarCruiser was “not relevant” for international guests so they were not putting in formation on those sites. They do.....and they don't. DVC has its own IT department with a small staff of 15-20 employees. |
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Post by henrycpa on Dec 15, 2023 10:04:37 GMT -5
I do not think so. I believe that would alter my ability under my contract to get my days because all of a sudden I would be competing with people who do not own at my resort.
To accomplish what you say, they would have to take those ROFR points and some how separate them to a different pool of points that I am not competing against. Simply put, I do not think they can do this under the current contract models in place.
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Post by brp on Dec 15, 2023 10:15:40 GMT -5
I do not think so. I believe that would alter my ability under my contract to get my days because all of a sudden I would be competing with people who do not own at my resort. Unless there is something explicitly in the contract covering the "competitive pool" or something like that (and I have no idea one way or another), then they could most certainly do this. I would not expect that the contract would talk about this, for just these reasons.
I agree that it would change the terms of things we bought, but I'd be surprised if this is actually protected by contract.
Some here are surely better versed in the detailed terms than I.
Cheers.
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Post by baymaxfan on Dec 15, 2023 10:18:26 GMT -5
I’m fairly sure DVC do not have their own IT department. Any changes they need or want have to be prioritised against all the other Disney IT needs. Which is also why the international sites are so crap and don’t always get fully updated. For example I was told that the StarCruiser was “not relevant” for international guests so they were not putting in formation on those sites. They do.....and they don't. DVC has its own IT department with a small staff of 15-20 employees. I do not work in the technology sector, but 15-20 employees seems like more than sufficient staffing for just the DVC IT department. Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't that number of employees be able to nicely support a single, existing system? It's not as if they need to create a new platform or even really add to the one that already exists. I always assumed they just had a couple of people working. |
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Post by MinnieMom on Dec 18, 2023 15:08:01 GMT -5
This strikes me as "believe it when I see it." Sure, maybe, if Disney is suddenly convinced there is more money to be made in DVC by using some kind of a trust approach. But it muddies the waters of a cash cow a bit.
I tried to explain DVC in 2-3 sentences to a friend last week. High level is simple. "DVC is a prepaid vacation, where you buy points at a home resort that can be used throughout the system for reservations. Each resort has a point chart for the number of points needed per accommodation type per season. The cost is how many points you purchase, either direct or resale, plus annual maintenance fees." The very first question after that needed at least a paragraph for explanation of details.
I suspect for a good % of new owners, DVC is an impulse buy on vacation. The simpler the pitch, the easier the sell. Adding in the complexities of a trust could turn that into a harder sales job.
Plus what others said about impacting current owner advantage. Sounds like it would be either a fight or bad PR, neither of which Disney needs right now.
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