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Post by sawickipedia on Jan 4, 2024 15:47:05 GMT -5
helenabear , I don’t see anyone suggesting the whole of the Poly tower being sold as a trust. Even the person I quoted isn’t saying that will happen. What is being suggested is that this is a way for DVC to add undeclared units at Aulani in particular into a trust. The same could therefore happen to any resort where sales stagnate. I have no idea who “they” that you keep referring to (wrt to the Poly) are. But as far as I can see, this isn’t a battle between 2 opposing viewpoints about what happens to DVC, the Poly etc. No one seems to be saying “ this is what is going to happen”. It’s just that some people think this is the solution to the Aulani “problem” and that’s why DVC are going this route. I think it all stems from trying to fathom out what the motives are for this Trust. Did you see what I quoted? Not your post, of course. However it was stated all in a trust. So that had nothing to do with you or what you said. I bolded exactly what I was referring to "Poly2 tower could be transferred into the Trust ownership in its entirety," The "they" are those that the others are claiming the above on the DIS. I did see a lot from the PVB association talk and actual quotes from posters there. On one thread they actually jumped from being angry about the announcement for PVB and then went into the whole trust thing just to have something else to try and argue about. I saw just a few pages and it was weird. One thing I will 100% disagree with you on is that there are often two opposing sides who just want to fight simply to fight. It happens on multiple places that I see. Some people really enjoy it. It happens on my Facebook group and it happens on a number of forums. I am trying to reduce negativity in my life so I'm not actively seeking out certain places any longer but they exist. I know didn't specifically quote someone in my last post, but it was in direct response to the post above. I'm not here to say that something with the trust couldn't happen, but the idea that the entirety of Polynesian Tower will go into Trust really just makes me wonder how they got to that conclusion
Until we see the exact details and implementation of what DVC plans on doing I won't get too worked up - yeah there are ways this screws over current DVC owners and ways it's a more technical change but NBD. I'm not saying others shouldn't worry about changes just that I'm taking a wait and see approach. DVC isn't perfect as is (see current PVB point glut, RIV resale restrictions, etc) so tweaks to the model aren't unreasonable to expect.
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Post by helenabear on Jan 4, 2024 16:00:09 GMT -5
Did you see what I quoted? Not your post, of course. However it was stated all in a trust. So that had nothing to do with you or what you said. I bolded exactly what I was referring to "Poly2 tower could be transferred into the Trust ownership in its entirety," The "they" are those that the others are claiming the above on the DIS. I did see a lot from the PVB association talk and actual quotes from posters there. On one thread they actually jumped from being angry about the announcement for PVB and then went into the whole trust thing just to have something else to try and argue about. I saw just a few pages and it was weird. One thing I will 100% disagree with you on is that there are often two opposing sides who just want to fight simply to fight. It happens on multiple places that I see. Some people really enjoy it. It happens on my Facebook group and it happens on a number of forums. I am trying to reduce negativity in my life so I'm not actively seeking out certain places any longer but they exist. I know didn't specifically quote someone in my last post, but it was in direct response to the post above. I'm not here to say that something with the trust couldn't happen, but the idea that the entirety of Polynesian Tower will go into Trust really just makes me wonder how they got to that conclusion Until we see the exact details and implementation of what DVC plans on doing I won't get too worked up - yeah there are ways this screws over current DVC owners and ways it's a more technical change but NBD. I'm not saying others shouldn't worry about changes just that I'm taking a wait and see approach. DVC isn't perfect as is (see current PVB point glut, RIV resale restrictions, etc) so tweaks to the model aren't unreasonable to expect.
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Post by Brian5581 on Jan 4, 2024 22:57:35 GMT -5
Whether we like it or not, it is coming. And DVD is figuring out ways to enter more resorts into the Trust. We are witnessing the end of Disney Vacation Club as we know it. Just a tad hyperbolic there, Hope… Did you see what I quoted? Not your post, of course. However it was stated all in a trust. So that had nothing to do with you or what you said. I bolded exactly what I was referring to "Poly2 tower could be transferred into the Trust ownership in its entirety," The "they" are those that the others are claiming the above on the DIS. I did see a lot from the PVB association talk and actual quotes from posters there. On one thread they actually jumped from being angry about the announcement for PVB and then went into the whole trust thing just to have something else to try and argue about. I saw just a few pages and it was weird. One thing I will 100% disagree with you on is that there are often two opposing sides who just want to fight simply to fight. It happens on multiple places that I see. Some people really enjoy it. It happens on my Facebook group and it happens on a number of forums. I am trying to reduce negativity in my life so I'm not actively seeking out certain places any longer but they exist. I know didn't specifically quote someone in my last post, but it was in direct response to the post above. I'm not here to say that something with the trust couldn't happen, but the idea that the entirety of Polynesian Tower will go into Trust really just makes me wonder how they got to that conclusion
Until we see the exact details and implementation of what DVC plans on doing I won't get too worked up - yeah there are ways this screws over current DVC owners and ways it's a more technical change but NBD. I'm not saying others shouldn't worry about changes just that I'm taking a wait and see approach. DVC isn't perfect as is (see current PVB point glut, RIV resale restrictions, etc) so tweaks to the model aren't unreasonable to expect.
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Jan 5, 2024 7:04:29 GMT -5
Did you see what I quoted? Not your post, of course. However it was stated all in a trust. So that had nothing to do with you or what you said. I bolded exactly what I was referring to "Poly2 tower could be transferred into the Trust ownership in its entirety," The "they" are those that the others are claiming the above on the DIS. I did see a lot from the PVB association talk and actual quotes from posters there. On one thread they actually jumped from being angry about the announcement for PVB and then went into the whole trust thing just to have something else to try and argue about. I saw just a few pages and it was weird. One thing I will 100% disagree with you on is that there are often two opposing sides who just want to fight simply to fight. It happens on multiple places that I see. Some people really enjoy it. It happens on my Facebook group and it happens on a number of forums. I am trying to reduce negativity in my life so I'm not actively seeking out certain places any longer but they exist. I know didn't specifically quote someone in my last post, but it was in direct response to the post above. I'm not here to say that something with the trust couldn't happen, but the idea that the entirety of Polynesian Tower will go into Trust really just makes me wonder how they got to that conclusion Until we see the exact details and implementation of what DVC plans on doing I won't get too worked up - yeah there are ways this screws over current DVC owners and ways it's a more technical change but NBD. I'm not saying others shouldn't worry about changes just that I'm taking a wait and see approach. DVC isn't perfect as is (see current PVB point glut, RIV resale restrictions, etc) so tweaks to the model aren't unreasonable to expect.
When ever there are changes we don’t like, the easy comment is to say I am not going to worry until I get all of the info. Good for you that you can do that. Not so much now, but with major dollars invested in Disney, the last thing I want to to is wake up one day and say “ How did all of this happen”? People deal with change differently. Myself, I want to be as informed as possible, whether some things come to fruition or not. Change is coming, that is fact. DVC model is changing. Fact. I am not going to dismiss the various possibilities of this change. We have options. To accept it or reject it. But I am not going to dismiss it. |
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Post by helenabear on Jan 5, 2024 11:09:52 GMT -5
Until we see the exact details and implementation of what DVC plans on doing I won't get too worked up - yeah there are ways this screws over current DVC owners and ways it's a more technical change but NBD. I'm not saying others shouldn't worry about changes just that I'm taking a wait and see approach. DVC isn't perfect as is (see current PVB point glut, RIV resale restrictions, etc) so tweaks to the model aren't unreasonable to expect.
When ever there are changes we don’t like, the easy comment is to say I am not going to worry until I get all of the info. Good for you that you can do that. Not so much now, but with major dollars invested in Disney, the last thing I want to to is wake up one day and say “ How did all of this happen”? People deal with change differently. Myself, I want to be as informed as possible, whether some things come to fruition or not. Change is coming, that is fact. DVC model is changing. Fact. I am not going to dismiss the various possibilities of this change. We have options. To accept it or reject it. But I am not going to dismiss it. I understand wanting to know everything, I was really just cautioning taking speculation that people are tossing out and thinking it will be true. We have no idea what the end result will be with this trust to begin with. I withhold my judgments on this until we get actual word from Disney as to what, if anything, is really changing. That's been my issue all along with some of these rumors. The only fact we have is that it could change. We don't know when or how. And that is what I was trying to caution you against - listening to certain people who are acting like they know, when they don't. To me that is borrowing worry when it is not confirmed. Not telling you how to be, but explaining why I'm exceedingly dismissive of certain types of talk. That is why I was asking specifics about people who had real legal knowledge. Too many people try and guess and make it seem like they know when in fact they don't and they're just causing unnecessary worry. The only place I had seen some of the discussion on the dis was under the PVB poll guessing which association it would be. It was weird there to read people saying that Chang did not make an announcement when she did. It was straight up gaslighting there. It felt more like people were more wanting to be right, than discuss facts. I don't know where else this was discussed because I stopped reading as to avoid too many clicks as I stated previously. So I only read the one thread and immediately, I admit, I rolled my eyes at quite a few of the posters (including a moderator) who just had to move on to the next negative Polynesian thing. Being negative on anything new with the Polynesian seems to be a favorite pastime of many since they decided to add DVC there in the first place. I want facts, not crazy speculation. Right now literally the only thing we do know for sure is that there could be a trust used. How it will be used? We do have to wait on until we know for sure. YMMV |
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