|
|
Post by tomandrobin on Apr 10, 2024 14:45:03 GMT -5
I wish people were just honest about what they need and stop being so damn entitled. Well....Takes two to tango. One the one hand, we have Disney's greed charging ridiculous prices for something that was free just a few years ago. On the other hand, we have those self entitled people, who are always trying to game the system. Its like everything else in life.....rarely is there just one party at fault or to blame.
I have been belly aching for many years about the abuse of GAC/DAS by guests not needing it. People will find a new way.....just give it time.
|
|
|
|
Post by helenabear on Apr 10, 2024 14:47:36 GMT -5
I wish people were just honest about what they need and stop being so damn entitled. Well....Takes two to tango. One the one hand, we have Disney's greed charging ridiculous prices for something that was free just a few years ago. On the other hand, we have those self entitled people, who are always trying to game the system. Its like everything else in life.....rarely is there just one party at fault or to blame.
I have been belly aching for many years about the abuse of GAC/DAS by guests not needing it. People will find a new way.....just give it time.
I agree, but yet I don't. Just because Disney is greedy doesn't give people the right to do what they're doing. I don't blame Disney for this at all. This is all on the people who are trying to be entitled and get what they think they deserve more. I know for Disney it's about making sure they get money, but the people abusing, trying to blame Disney is not okay to me. Blame the jerks for abusing it and trying to get through it. I am glad that Disney starting to trespass the guides and hopefully they can deal with some of their own workers who do the same kinds of things. Disney is becoming greedy though, but that to me is a totally unrelated issue at hand. I know what you're saying, but I just don't really care to shift blame on Disney when it is literally the people doing it. I'm over entitled people. All these people who abuse everything and it's not just at disney, are really making it harder for those with legitimate issues. |
|
|
|
Post by tomandrobin on Apr 10, 2024 15:01:14 GMT -5
I am not blaming.....Trying point out that the abuse is reaction to what Disney did. What makes it worse is that Disney keeps raising the costs of ride access each year, in which leads to more people abusing it than the year prior.
|
|
|
|
Post by brp on Apr 10, 2024 15:09:16 GMT -5
I am not blaming.....Trying point out that the abuse is reaction to what Disney did. What makes it worse is that Disney keeps raising the costs of ride access each year, in which leads to more people abusing it than the year prior. So, basically, you're saying that specific people have a price point at which they'll lie and cheat to get what they want for less? And that there should not be blame associated with these actions? Yeah, well I will blame, and it's pretty one-sided to me. Don't like the cost? Don't play the game. It is not a blameless reaction to then lie and cheat.
Cheers.
|
|
|
|
Post by helenabear on Apr 10, 2024 15:57:45 GMT -5
I am not blaming.....Trying point out that the abuse is reaction to what Disney did. What makes it worse is that Disney keeps raising the costs of ride access each year, in which leads to more people abusing it than the year prior. I get what you are saying. I just put it squarely on the cheaters and liars. There are people who seriously get denied for DAS via video who go to the parks in person to get DAS because it is easier. Some who don't have legit issues who knew that in person was easier than online. It burns me that people make life harder for those with legit issues out of entitlement. That's all this is, plain and simple. Disney could do nothing and mummy would take little Timmy through the line with DAS so she didn't have to deal with him. What Disney did with G+ and removing perks especially for onsite was a shot in the foot. Even these stupid park reservations still for AP and Military. They really need to listen up and not come across as so greedy. But none of this excuses any reactions IMO. |
|
|
|
Post by disneyspaz on Apr 10, 2024 16:48:34 GMT -5
I am trying to be optimistic about this. My DH needs a DAS for a medical issue that is not visible to others and is progressive. He was able to bear the pain when standing in lines up until about 2.5-3 years ago, then we were finding he was avoiding all lines, including his favorite rides. It was only after several kind CM's told him he should look into a DAS that he finally relented and talked to Guest Services, qualified and was able to enjoy some rides he loves again. He still doesn't ride a lot of rides and the rest of us wait in lines for the things he doesn't absolutely love and want to ride but the DAS has allowed him to get back to enjoying those rides with his kids again and hopefully soon with his grandchild. I say all this to say he would happily offer a doctors note stating his diagnosis and what he needs to have modified for him in order to curtail the people who lie and abuse the system.
Helenbear-I have also heard that many CM's were getting DAS to avoid lines and I will say that I hope that is addressed by the company.
|
|
|
|
Post by cpnkirk on Apr 10, 2024 17:48:24 GMT -5
People in the internet age have simply learned that it's very easy to game the system - and not just at Disney. With a little searching, you can find out how to get free money from the government, free this here discounted that there, or skip the lines at Disney or other parks.
So many people think they can get away with this stuff, and so they give it a shot. It sucks across the board.
The standby lines have gotten much longer in my experience. I have to assume that it's because so many people are in the LL. The few times we've used LL, the lines seemed to move quickly...but we have tried G+ and found it wanting. I'd gladly pay for the old book 3 in advance system, but this new day of stuff is crap as far as I'm concerned.
On our upcoming trip, we're looking forward to an after hours day @ HS. I've found this park is one of (if not the) worst at long lines for everything. Here's hoping after hours is as good as we have experienced in the past.
As far as DAS, we've never had any reason to even think of using that, despite the mobility issues DW has. We typically get a scooter for her, and she'll just park near a ride and stand in line. Once, we rolled up to the bird show @ AK, and a CM plucked us from the back of the crowd and pulled us right in to a handicapped spot, even though we said she was ok to park and walk. I'm not sure we actually got ahead of anyone in that case, because it's all general seating and not really a line. So, we just let it happen.
|
|
|
|
Post by nickys on Apr 10, 2024 17:55:40 GMT -5
For the handful of international MagicOwners, I saw this email transcript posted from Disability Services in response to a query.
“International Guests visiting May 19, 2024 or earlier may request to register for Disability Access Service (DAS) directly with Guest Relations Cast Members.
For International Guests arriving May 20, 2024 or later, Guest Relations Cast Members will have devices available to lend to our Guests so they may chat with DAS Cast Members on-site should they be necessary.
Please note that if a DAS is provided, Guests only need to do this on the first day of their visit, not every day. The DAS will be valid for the duration of your visit. No documentation is needed. "
So you won’t know whether you qualify for DAS in advance. You essentially have to be willing to do without it if you book.
It will likely deter international guests who have used DAS or think they might need it from staying onsite. Better to stay elsewhere so they can spend more time at other parks if they don’t get the DAS. And there could be some demands for refunds on tickets too.
Obviously Disney still won’t make the effort to deal with European data protection laws.
|
|
|
|
Post by dlwdwdvc on Apr 10, 2024 20:47:09 GMT -5
I also have to wonder about the new design for the bus shuttle on Disney property.
Maybe Disney has an ulterior motive .
I am trying hard not to criticize WDW before projects are completed and I realize I was wrong.
Usually , Disney knows what they are doing
but I am scratching my head … Has Disney created another problem because they have always been accommodating and sensitive to the individuals and families that need DAS .?
That would be too bad.
How to control and discourage the false claims would be very very difficult without harming the honest .
I always thought part of the cast training should include experiencing a few hours with a person ( another castmember in training )
to “ walk the walk from a wheelchair “
They are extremely uncomfortable for the seated and almost back breaking work for the person pushing the chair on property .
No shortcuts and nothing is flat …even a slight uphill and downhill can be a learning experience for the new castmember .
A valuable lesson in compassion for everybody to learn .
|
|
|
|
Post by tomandrobin on Apr 11, 2024 7:56:54 GMT -5
Robin already has had several clients reach out to her, not happy that DAS "might" be excluding them now.
|
|
|
|
Post by baymaxfan on Apr 11, 2024 8:59:59 GMT -5
Another problem is that the more people misuse DAS, it gives more false justification for others to misuse - the concept of "everybody else is doing it." It is flat out wrong and punishes everyone - those who really need it and those who are rightfully not using it. It doesn't matter if Disney is charging for lightning lane or not. It's no different than faking a disability to get a handicapped plaque for your car because my city started installing a lot of metered paid parking (in California, those with handicapped plaques do not pay for metered parking). Anyway, at DL, there was gross misuse of the predecessor of DAS well before lightning lanes even existed.
I don't really see how Disney can really stop it though. Cpnkirk said it best - the internet not only informs people about how to game the system but gives a step-by-step approach on how to do it. No matter how much Disney pivots, it's only a matter of time before the workarounds are exposed and exploited.
|
|
|
|
Post by ratfan on Apr 11, 2024 17:24:18 GMT -5
We recently acquired DAS for the first time for someone in our family and it was an absolute life saver. Initially I didn't think he would qualify, nor did I even want to apply as I felt that there might be others who were "more deserving" to have it than us. But after having done the trip, I realize that our Disney park days would likely be over for good, due to the condition, if we didn't have DAS. It's too bad that others might ruin it for the restuvus.
|
|
|
|
Post by bakerworld on Apr 12, 2024 12:42:12 GMT -5
IMO, the reason people cheat on anything they can (I routinely restock our kitchenette from the QS) is because Disney does 'BS' actionable $-grabs like D+ and chipped cups, to mention a couple of eliminated perks (neither of which we currently advantage).
|
|
|
|
Post by janebanks on Apr 12, 2024 13:10:46 GMT -5
I am a DAS user, for the last three years. I had always assumed it was for wheelchair or ECV users, so had never looked in to it until someone mentioned to me that it might be helpful.
It has made a huge difference in my ability to enjoy the parks. The open ended return time is one of the reasons.
I do understand wanting to cut down on abuse, however I don't trust that this was well thought through, given how the wording on who will qualify seems so limiting. It does seem to be pushing people to use Genie+. The LL do get long, whether that is from over selling G+, rides shutting down, whatever the reasons. I have a hard time believing DAS use is the cause.
|
|
|
|
Post by baymaxfan on Apr 12, 2024 15:30:05 GMT -5
IMO, the reason people cheat on anything they can (I routinely restock our kitchenette from the QS) is because Disney does 'BS' actionable $-grabs like D+ and chipped cups, to mention a couple of eliminated perks (neither of which we currently advantage). I think people rationalize cheating, stealing, etc. in many ways. Does that actually justify the action? |
|
