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Post by pooh bears mom on Apr 12, 2024 21:43:35 GMT -5
Its not the Das causing the increased lines- it is how disney has changed the system. I read somewhere - don't remember where but it made sense to me - that the old FP days disney averaged a 4:1 standby to FP, now its 10:1 standby to FP - that is a big difference and it explains the longer wait times in both standby and the FP lanes.
I really do not enjoy the parks anymore. We love our resorts, but will probably spend more time at universal this year. I refuse to pay for G+ because every time i have in the past, i only got one or two rides out of it. Disney needs to bring back FP for onsite guests as there is no value in staying onsite. I really miss the paper fast pass system - but that will never return.
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Post by nickys on Apr 13, 2024 4:48:50 GMT -5
Disney’s own stats show that around 9% of guests have DAS, and that DAS groups make up over 50% of those in the lightning lanes. For more popular rides that %age is higher. They determined they had to do something to reduce that.
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Post by bakerworld on Apr 13, 2024 7:40:47 GMT -5
IMO, the reason people cheat on anything they can (I routinely restock our kitchenette from the QS) is because Disney does 'BS' actionable $-grabs like D+ and chipped cups, to mention a couple of eliminated perks (neither of which we currently advantage). I think people rationalize cheating, stealing, etc. in many ways. Does that actually justify the action? Depends.... I was/am stating my opinion/justification and not meaning to cause any negative posting. |
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Post by pooh bears mom on Apr 13, 2024 11:34:40 GMT -5
Disney’s own stats show that around 9% of guests have DAS, and that DAS groups make up over 50% of those in the lightning lanes. For more popular rides that %age is higher. They determined they had to do something to reduce that. People must know how to work the system. The only time i tried to get one was when my mother's cancer had turned terminal - we were denied - she passed within the following year. So if she didn' t qualify - not sure how others can work the system. they must know buzz words that we obviously did not. We did not visit the parks at all that year - just played a lot of high low jack in the room and enjoyed the restaurants. |
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Post by PirateLinda on Apr 14, 2024 12:53:36 GMT -5
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Post by nickys on Apr 14, 2024 14:06:02 GMT -5
What Tom Bricker doesn’t mention, presumably because it’s taken him a while to compile that FAQ, is that DIsneyland have seemingly added wording suggesting that more use will be made of Rider Switch. I think, but I’m not sure, that some people at DL may already have been offered this in recent days.
The idea being that it would be added to your MDE. The “DAS holder” and someone else gets to wait outside, whilst the rest of the party waits in stand-by. And when they’ve finished the “DAS holder” and companion goes through the LL line (or alternative entrance if there’s no Ll). A variation could be that the “DAS holder” and companion join the rest of their party at the merge point.
edit: just to clarify, I used “DAS holder” to mean the person with a disability who doesn’t get the traditional DAS.
Clearly it doesn’t work for everyone, but it’s another option they seem to be offering. That would single handedly stop a lot of abuse, if the entire group isn’t getting to go through the LL line. It also means the party has to split up though, which might not be suitable for all parties.
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Post by pooh bears mom on Apr 15, 2024 8:46:14 GMT -5
What Tom Bricker doesn’t mention, presumably because it’s taken him a while to compile that FAQ, is that DIsneyland have seemingly added wording suggesting that more use will be made of Rider Switch. I think, but I’m not sure, that some people at DL may already have been offered this in recent days. The idea being that it would be added to your MDE. The “DAS holder” and someone else gets to wait outside, whilst the rest of the party waits in stand-by. And when they’ve finished the “DAS holder” and companion goes through the LL line (or alternative entrance if there’s no Ll). A variation could be that the “DAS holder” and companion join the rest of their party at the merge point. edit: just to clarify, I used “DAS holder” to mean the person with a disability who doesn’t get the traditional DAS. Clearly it doesn’t work for everyone, but it’s another option they seem to be offering. That would single handedly stop a lot of abuse, if the entire group isn’t getting to go through the LL line. It also means the party has to split up though, which might not be suitable for all parties. I think this will stop the abuse of the system, because part of the party has to wait in line. If it is only two people it does not make sense, but for three and up, i think this works. When my kids were small, we used rider switch a couple times, and it worked great. I also think they need to bring back complimentary FP's for onsite guests. That might also reduce abuse |
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Post by helenabear on Apr 15, 2024 15:52:20 GMT -5
What Tom Bricker doesn’t mention, presumably because it’s taken him a while to compile that FAQ, is that DIsneyland have seemingly added wording suggesting that more use will be made of Rider Switch. I think, but I’m not sure, that some people at DL may already have been offered this in recent days. The idea being that it would be added to your MDE. The “DAS holder” and someone else gets to wait outside, whilst the rest of the party waits in stand-by. And when they’ve finished the “DAS holder” and companion goes through the LL line (or alternative entrance if there’s no Ll). A variation could be that the “DAS holder” and companion join the rest of their party at the merge point. edit: just to clarify, I used “DAS holder” to mean the person with a disability who doesn’t get the traditional DAS. Clearly it doesn’t work for everyone, but it’s another option they seem to be offering. That would single handedly stop a lot of abuse, if the entire group isn’t getting to go through the LL line. It also means the party has to split up though, which might not be suitable for all parties. I think this will stop the abuse of the system, because part of the party has to wait in line. If it is only two people it does not make sense, but for three and up, i think this works. When my kids were small, we used rider switch a couple times, and it worked great. I also think they need to bring back complimentary FP's for onsite guests. That might also reduce abuse Three is kinda crappy for the one always alone especially if it is an adult qualifying and a kid in thd party. But spouse would be meh to it. Definitely good for larger groups for sure! I do think removing the onsite perks was dumb. Bringing something back would help. Not that I justify anyone doing it. I've been reading that they've already been more strict this year where some who were online getting it before were denied. It'll be interesting to watch. |
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Post by brp on Apr 17, 2024 13:49:21 GMT -5
Its not the Das causing the increased lines- it is how disney has changed the system. I read somewhere - don't remember where but it made sense to me - that the old FP days disney averaged a 4:1 standby to FP, now its 10:1 standby to FP - that is a big difference and it explains the longer wait times in both standby and the FP lanes. I can understand how the wait times for standby are longer, but not for FP/LL with this change. Let's say, for example, that there are 100 guests. Using the ratios above, there would have been 80 in standby and 20 in FP. Now, there would be roughly 91 people in standby (so longer wait), but only 9 in the FP/LL. That would seem to reduce their wait.
So, those willing to pay (we're not) have an advantage. Nothing wrong with that.
Cheers.
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Post by cpnkirk on Apr 18, 2024 7:19:31 GMT -5
Its not the Das causing the increased lines- it is how disney has changed the system. I read somewhere - don't remember where but it made sense to me - that the old FP days disney averaged a 4:1 standby to FP, now its 10:1 standby to FP - that is a big difference and it explains the longer wait times in both standby and the FP lanes. I really do not enjoy the parks anymore. We love our resorts, but will probably spend more time at universal this year. I refuse to pay for G+ because every time i have in the past, i only got one or two rides out of it. Disney needs to bring back FP for onsite guests as there is no value in staying onsite. I really miss the paper fast pass system - but that will never return. We have had the same experience with G+, so we don't buy it either. We do sometimes use the ILL, even though the extra money makes me ill. I have heard the ratios you mention as well, and what I don't get is if there are that many more LL available, why are they so hard to get with G+? Are there actually 2.5 times as many LL available to G+ buyers than there were FP available to those who used that system? If so, that seems to indicate that many more people are buying G+ than used the old FP system. Maybe that is true, but I think that DAS use has also increased. Apparently Disney thinks so as well (and they have the data for sure). We'll see how all this affects the lines, I guess. I don't know when this goes into effect...hopefully before our trip next month. |
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Post by pooh bears mom on Apr 18, 2024 7:27:50 GMT -5
Its not the Das causing the increased lines- it is how disney has changed the system. I read somewhere - don't remember where but it made sense to me - that the old FP days disney averaged a 4:1 standby to FP, now its 10:1 standby to FP - that is a big difference and it explains the longer wait times in both standby and the FP lanes. I can understand how the wait times for standby are longer, but not for FP/LL with this change. Let's say, for example, that there are 100 guests. Using the ratios above, there would have been 80 in standby and 20 in FP. Now, there would be roughly 91 people in standby (so longer wait), but only 9 in the FP/LL. That would seem to reduce their wait.
So, those willing to pay (we're not) have an advantage. Nothing wrong with that.
Cheers.
Except Universal includes unlimited free fast passes for their onsite deluxe guests. I think disney needs to bring back some form of FP for onsite guests - maybe three for deluxe, two for moderate, and one for value - since they seem to be into tiering. We don't go to the parks anymore. Disney has lost the money we spent in the restaurants, and in the parks as we do a lot of cooking in the room now (I have time since I'm not in the parks). We are also planning a few days at universal this year. G+ stinks in my opinion because there is no value in it - it really does not work well in the summer. Maybe for people who go when its not so crowded they are able to get value from it - but not in the summer. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Apr 18, 2024 7:28:28 GMT -5
I have heard the ratios you mention as well, and what I don't get is if there are that many more LL available, why are they so hard to get with G+? Are there actually 2.5 times as many LL available to G+ buyers than there were FP available to those who used that system? If so, that seems to indicate that many more people are buying G+ than used the old FP system. Maybe that is true, but I think that DAS use has also increased. Apparently Disney thinks so as well (and they have the data for sure). We'll see how all this affects the lines, I guess. I don't know when this goes into effect...hopefully before our trip next month. Not sure if this will impact the lighting lane lines, but I think it will help the sales of additional lightning lane access. |
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Post by nickys on Apr 18, 2024 7:53:03 GMT -5
Its not the Das causing the increased lines- it is how disney has changed the system. I read somewhere - don't remember where but it made sense to me - that the old FP days disney averaged a 4:1 standby to FP, now its 10:1 standby to FP - that is a big difference and it explains the longer wait times in both standby and the FP lanes. I really do not enjoy the parks anymore. We love our resorts, but will probably spend more time at universal this year. I refuse to pay for G+ because every time i have in the past, i only got one or two rides out of it. Disney needs to bring back FP for onsite guests as there is no value in staying onsite. I really miss the paper fast pass system - but that will never return. We have had the same experience with G+, so we don't buy it either. We do sometimes use the ILL, even though the extra money makes me ill. I have heard the ratios you mention as well, and what I don't get is if there are that many more LL available, why are they so hard to get with G+? Are there actually 2.5 times as many LL available to G+ buyers than there were FP available to those who used that system? If so, that seems to indicate that many more people are buying G+ than used the old FP system. Maybe that is true, but I think that DAS use has also increased. Apparently Disney thinks so as well (and they have the data for sure). We'll see how all this affects the lines, I guess. I don't know when this goes into effect...hopefully before our trip next month. Those ratios refer to the way that guests board the ride at the merge point in line. For every 1 person from the standby line, 10 guests board from the LL line. That’s what is needed to ensure the guests n the LL line have a “reasonable” queue time compared to standby. Because DAS use has tripled since G+ was introduced, from 3% to 9%, that has led to a huge increase in the numbers of guests in that line. |
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Post by nrspepe on Apr 18, 2024 8:45:45 GMT -5
I wonder how much of the increased use in DAS is the result of Disney promoting the online advance registration. I recall seeing it everywhere a few years ago.
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Post by brp on Apr 18, 2024 8:56:11 GMT -5
I can understand how the wait times for standby are longer, but not for FP/LL with this change. Let's say, for example, that there are 100 guests. Using the ratios above, there would have been 80 in standby and 20 in FP. Now, there would be roughly 91 people in standby (so longer wait), but only 9 in the FP/LL. That would seem to reduce their wait.
So, those willing to pay (we're not) have an advantage. Nothing wrong with that.
Cheers.
Except Universal includes unlimited free fast passes for their onsite deluxe guests. I think disney needs to bring back some form of FP for onsite guests - maybe three for deluxe, two for moderate, and one for value - since they seem to be into tiering. We don't go to the parks anymore. Certainly an interesting idea, and I'd not complain. But still wasn't seeing how the ratios posted above would cause the FP/LL line to be longer than the ration before payment was introduced. Seems that it would be shorter.
Cheers.
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