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Post by tomandrobin on Aug 13, 2024 12:38:38 GMT -5
did you end up purchasing RR direct or resale? Trying to decide - but leaning to resale. We currently own 475 points at Riviera Resort. We bought two 100 point contracts direct back in 2021, when they had a good sale for the resort. Last June we bought a 275 point contract resale at Riviera Resort.
Four things to consider -
1) buy direct, instant points in your account. You get exactly what you want/need.
2) buy resale you need to find the right contract of points, cost and use year. Find one that is not stripped out. And take around 3 months from start to finish.
3) Direct buy cost vs the resale cost per point. What is the delta of a premium between the two choices that you would pay?
4) If you do go resale, can you use the points within the restrictions?
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Post by pooh bears mom on Aug 13, 2024 12:59:41 GMT -5
did you end up purchasing RR direct or resale? Trying to decide - but leaning to resale. We currently own 475 points at Riviera Resort. We bought two 100 point contracts direct back in 2021, when they had a good sale for the resort. Last June we bought a 275 point contract resale at Riviera Resort.
Four things to consider -
1) buy direct, instant points in your account. You get exactly what you want/need.
2) buy resale you need to find the right contract of points, cost and use year. Find one that is not stripped out. And take around 3 months from start to finish.
3) Direct buy cost vs the resale cost per point. What is the delta of a premium between the two choices that you would pay?
4) If you do go resale, can you use the points within the restrictions?
the restrictions are what is holding me back from resale. The only points i own that I never use outside of home resort are my BCV points. All other points I use everywhere. Its funny-i purchased CCV direct for the holiday season, and have never stayed there in december - we usually end up at BW or SSR with those points. This is what stops me from a resale purchase there - I don't know if I would use it there. Direct kills me as I don't think the price will hold value. contemplated selling some BC points, but everyone in my family was a hard 'No" on that one. thought about selling SSR, and buying RIV - we love ssr and stay there often but we don't need direct points to stay there. I wish we purchased in '20 during the covid sale. Still on the fence, leaning towards direct. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Aug 13, 2024 13:20:43 GMT -5
the restrictions are what is holding me back from resale. The only points i own that I never use outside of home resort are my BCV points. All other points I use everywhere. Its funny-i purchased CCV direct for the holiday season, and have never stayed there in december - we usually end up at BW or SSR with those points. This is what stops me from a resale purchase there - I don't know if I would use it there. Direct kills me as I don't think the price will hold value. contemplated selling some BC points, but everyone in my family was a hard 'No" on that one. thought about selling SSR, and buying RIV - we love ssr and stay there often but we don't need direct points to stay there. I wish we purchased in '20 during the covid sale. Still on the fence, leaning towards direct. We realized that we Love Riviera after a few stays and have no issue with the RR points being only for Home Resort use.
We use to own BWV, but never stayed there or just booked under the 7 month window, so we sold them years ago. We bought AKV direct during pre-sales for the resort, because of Concierge booking and for the grandkids. Well, the first 5 years, we stay alot at CC level, until they removed the Sunrise Safari perk. Also, as it turns out, the grandsons never want to stay there.
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Post by brp on Aug 13, 2024 17:21:26 GMT -5
the restrictions are what is holding me back from resale. The only points i own that I never use outside of home resort are my BCV points. All other points I use everywhere. Its funny-i purchased CCV direct for the holiday season, and have never stayed there in december - we usually end up at BW or SSR with those points. This is what stops me from a resale purchase there - I don't know if I would use it there. Direct kills me as I don't think the price will hold value. contemplated selling some BC points, but everyone in my family was a hard 'No" on that one. thought about selling SSR, and buying RIV - we love ssr and stay there often but we don't need direct points to stay there. I wish we purchased in '20 during the covid sale. Still on the fence, leaning towards direct. We realized that we Love Riviera after a few stays and have no issue with the RR points being only for Home Resort use.
We use to own BWV, but never stayed there or just booked under the 7 month window, so we sold them years ago. We bought AKV direct during pre-sales for the resort, because of Concierge booking and for the grandkids. Well, the first 5 years, we stay alot at CC level, until they removed the Sunrise Safari perk. Also, as it turns out, the grandsons never want to stay there.
Yeah, if one finds a place that they want to stay pretty much all the time, then these restrictions that come with resale don't matter. For us, it's BCV and BWV. We bought them long enough ago to have full benefits (and we have very occasionally stayed elsewhere), but I would buy something like this resale, even if it had restrictions, if the savings were considerable. It's all about where one wants to be.
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on Aug 21, 2024 12:03:55 GMT -5
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Post by tomandrobin on Aug 21, 2024 12:22:42 GMT -5
So....Riviera is on a pace to sell out in 2.5 years. The new Poly will take about 2.3-3 years. Which means, DVC needs to start putting a shovel in the ground for he next "new" build or have about 9 months for a conversion for the new DVC.
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Post by helenabear on Aug 21, 2024 12:44:30 GMT -5
Looking at numbers I wonder if DVC will ever realize the restrictions do hurt sales?
For most people Riviera is a gorgeous resort. Rooms are well appointed. The skyline is a hit for most. Really good food options there. And yet it lingers longer than others. Still, Riviera is a fantastic choice over CFW.
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Post by brp on Aug 21, 2024 12:48:12 GMT -5
Looking at numbers I wonder if DVC will ever realize the restrictions do hurt sales? It could, of course, be the less-than-desirable location for RR that is impacting sales rather than the restrictions. Most people are at Disney to go to parks, and one can't directly access any park from RR. So, I think that 70% sales is actually quite good given the substandard location.
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on Aug 21, 2024 13:09:14 GMT -5
Looking at numbers I wonder if DVC will ever realize the restrictions do hurt sales? It could, of course, be the less-than-desirable location for RR that is impacting sales rather than the restrictions. Most people are at Disney to go to parks, and one can't directly access any park from RR. So, I think that 70% sales is actually quite good given the substandard location. Cheers. I don't buy that honestly. As I said for most having that skyliner is a bonus. They charge more for the value resorts on the Skyliner now too. The ride from RR to Epcot is a direct shot and for many a lovely ride. SSR is harder to compare as they added on to the totals after it was initially sold out. Also it had significantly more points. History points that SSR was nearly sold out in less time with more points than RR was at the beginning. I say it that way because the THVs really messed it up with how one could try to compare. But the THVs during a really deep recession sold out in 3 yearsl This all happened with looming recessions and in the middle of it as well. If it were really a location issue, SSR would have struggled more than it did. But it didn't. Aulani is a perfect example of location issues with selling out, but at WDW having a Skyliner for 2 parks? Yeah not the issue IMO. And no, 70% sold out in 5-6 years for the number of points it has, is not really that good given SSR did it in roughly same time frame (sold out then re-opened for sales counted only) with more than double the total points sold. |
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Post by whitecrane on Aug 21, 2024 14:01:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't buy them even at $100 / point.
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Post by brp on Aug 21, 2024 16:44:24 GMT -5
It could, of course, be the less-than-desirable location for RR that is impacting sales rather than the restrictions. Most people are at Disney to go to parks, and one can't directly access any park from RR. So, I think that 70% sales is actually quite good given the substandard location. Cheers. I don't buy that honestly. As I said for most having that skyliner is a bonus. They charge more for the value resorts on the Skyliner now too. The ride from RR to Epcot is a direct shot and for many a lovely ride. That's cool. I don't believe the resale restriction argument as I doubt most people buying evem think about resale. And, in the end, we'll never know. DVC will know, to some degree, and act accordingly.
Several possible options.
Cheers.
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Post by tomandrobin on Aug 22, 2024 6:14:25 GMT -5
I don't buy that honestly. As I said for most having that skyliner is a bonus. They charge more for the value resorts on the Skyliner now too. The ride from RR to Epcot is a direct shot and for many a lovely ride. That's cool. I don't believe the resale restriction argument as I doubt most people buying evem think about resale. And, in the end, we'll never know. DVC will know, to some degree, and act accordingly.
Several possible options.
Cheers.
The Resale restrictions has been the number 1 complaint about buying at the Riviera Resort. If you don't think it matters, look at Cabin sales numbers. It also has the resale restrictions.....which piled on the the other "downers" of buying at the resort, its a dude. At least Riviera is an upscale resort with fast and direct transportation to two Disney theme parks.
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Post by helenabear on Aug 22, 2024 7:27:56 GMT -5
I don't buy that honestly. As I said for most having that skyliner is a bonus. They charge more for the value resorts on the Skyliner now too. The ride from RR to Epcot is a direct shot and for many a lovely ride. That's cool. I don't believe the resale restriction argument as I doubt most people buying evem think about resale. And, in the end, we'll never know. DVC will know, to some degree, and act accordingly. Several possible options. Cheers. Well I gave you data to show that another that relies entirely on bus sold out faster during a massive recession even. If you didn't follow SSR had two sales windows of opening to sold out. Once the THVs were on sale (it was sold out prior) they did a resell. It was 14+ million points that took 6 years total. RR has just under 7 million and it's still only 70% sold and been on sale for 5.5 years. The math doesn't lie. So feel free to believe as you wish, but it's blatantly obvious to me that a resort inside of WDW limits is selling slower due to restrictions. The location of RR is fantastic, but SSR is bus only with multiple stops to every single park. At least RR has skyliner to 2 parks. CFW has the multi-whammy of restrictions, location (multi bus use to get to a park or one bus and one boat to MK), super high MFs, and lesser accommodations & amenities. While Riviera is not for us, it's not a bad resort as a whole. Just not for us. That's cool. I don't believe the resale restriction argument as I doubt most people buying evem think about resale. And, in the end, we'll never know. DVC will know, to some degree, and act accordingly. Several possible options. Cheers. The Resale restrictions has been the number 1 complaint about buying at the Riviera Resort. If you don't think it matters, look at Cabin sales numbers. It also has the resale restrictions.....which piled on the the other "downers" of buying at the resort, its a dude. At least Riviera is an upscale resort with fast and direct transportation to two Disney theme parks.
LOL just saw this as I was typing my issues with CFW. Cabin sales are pathetic. As you said at least Riviera is a lovely resort. The cabins are a dud. Not to say people won't enjoy the accommodations but the combo of it all just makes it piddly for sales. |
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Post by pooh bears mom on Aug 22, 2024 10:34:42 GMT -5
RIV is a beautiful resort, which helps the sales. Restrictions are a bust and have held many back - myself included. I am still on the fence, love resort, not a fan of skyline. Still considering direct buy at the right price. If they expanded the waterway to RIV, it would be a no-brainer, would buy direct (with the right incentives) and resale, or maybe just resale. Cabins are miss. It is a niche population. disney will be selling these longer than AUL imo. Interesting take on DVC - my son's friend came on vacation with us and stayed with us at BCV, VGF, and SSR. His favorite resort was SSR. He liked being close to downtown disney and the golf course. He did the DVC tour and said if he were to buy he would buy at SSR.
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Post by brp on Aug 22, 2024 10:37:26 GMT -5
That's cool. I don't believe the resale restriction argument as I doubt most people buying evem think about resale. And, in the end, we'll never know. DVC will know, to some degree, and act accordingly.
Several possible options.
Cheers.
The Resale restrictions has been the number 1 complaint about buying at the Riviera Resort. If you don't think it matters, look at Cabin sales numbers.
I had not seen the formal data showing an ordered list of complaints across a wide sample of potential buyers, so was not aware of this statistic. It would be interesting to see the actual data on this. Is there a place I can find this? I always believe credible data; I just have not seen any as yet.
Well I gave you data to show that another that relies entirely on bus sold out faster during a massive recession even. If you didn't follow SSR had two sales windows of opening to sold out.
Walking access to DS is similar to a park to many, I would think.
But I'd love to see the aforementioned data. I have my opinion-based doubts. I'll always let credible data trump opinions.
Cheers.
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