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Post by thecrusher on Oct 16, 2024 8:55:07 GMT -5
Disney continues to influence our spending habits. We relocated to Florida 4 years ago and have Pixie Dust AP’s. We go to WDW during slower crowd times during the festivals so we are not impacted by large crowds. The AP’s give us access to the parks on weekdays only and black out dates are during holidays and high traffic times of the year. Fine with us. However, if I was a once in a decade visitor, with excited youngsters, and I was traveling to WDW during school breaks, I would probably need to figure at least one daily pass into the budget. For us, that ship has sailed. That being said, the Disney pocket vacuum cleaner leaves much to be desired. We’ve been finding great dining spots in the local area; Disney’s desire to mug me has opened our eyes to other options. One option we will pass on will be the $25+ piece of cake at former favorite watering hole.
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Post by tomandrobin on Oct 16, 2024 9:31:54 GMT -5
Disney will destroy the what the Lightning Lane access is supposed to do by filling it with more and more paid options. What will it destroy? It's "supposed to" maximize revenue by charging for time-saving features, and it will do that. Having an option to take lots of money from people willing to spend lots of money is a good thing. Something for every spend level. So I don't see a problem with it. At $400 I wouldn't buy this when I can spend a fraction of that and get on every ride in the park. This is just a way to be easy for anyone who's time / value proposition is beyond having to do things like get up early or plan a next ride on your phone. You can just walk from ride to ride and skip any line like a VIP. Does anyone on this board really have a hard time riding what you want at MK in a day? We were just there this weekend and rode Tron (twice), Space, Buzz, HM, Thunder, Tiana, a few small things, and left the park by 12:30, got to EPCOT, and a virutal queue for Guardians. We were up at 6 tho. With this pass you could show up at noon and do all that. By adding more and more people into the lightning lanes, they start becoming more like the standby lines.....not so lightning.
Year by year, Disney keeps chipping away at all the things that made Disney World great. Look at DVC, you can see the devaluing of the program over the past 25 years. It started small at first, but has accelerated the past 8-10 years. Dining Plan is another example. Going back to the start of the Fast Pass system to where it is now.....How is this better?
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Post by helenabear on Oct 16, 2024 10:03:56 GMT -5
What will it destroy? It's "supposed to" maximize revenue by charging for time-saving features, and it will do that. Having an option to take lots of money from people willing to spend lots of money is a good thing. Something for every spend level. So I don't see a problem with it. At $400 I wouldn't buy this when I can spend a fraction of that and get on every ride in the park. This is just a way to be easy for anyone who's time / value proposition is beyond having to do things like get up early or plan a next ride on your phone. You can just walk from ride to ride and skip any line like a VIP. Does anyone on this board really have a hard time riding what you want at MK in a day? We were just there this weekend and rode Tron (twice), Space, Buzz, HM, Thunder, Tiana, a few small things, and left the park by 12:30, got to EPCOT, and a virutal queue for Guardians. We were up at 6 tho. With this pass you could show up at noon and do all that. By adding more and more people into the lightning lanes, they start becoming more like the standby lines.....not so lightning.
Year by year, Disney keeps chipping away at all the things that made Disney World great. Look at DVC, you can see the devaluing of the program over the past 25 years. It started small at first, but has accelerated the past 8-10 years. Dining Plan is another example. Going back to the start of the Fast Pass system to where it is now.....How is this better?
This It would be one thing if they had done it differently from the start like Universal did where certain Resorts may get a different level of access depending upon the level you stay at. But Disney didn't do that. From the beginning they let on site and off-site be equal in cost and then when they tried to bring this all back after covid, they really just lost their way in my opinion. It is getting to the point that I have to do less rides because even with Das access the lines are long and I'm turning away from writing things because even with the return time, I can't handle a 30 minute lightning Lane. We're starting to do other things in the parks and resorts anyway. My kid is becoming more into food which is fantastic because they are so many options and such a small area. I know places like Cedar Point just pay for the front of the line access and Disney is now starting to feel more like an amusement park than a theme park with how they look at their guests. |
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Post by nickys on Oct 16, 2024 10:14:57 GMT -5
By adding more and more people into the lightning lanes, they start becoming more like the standby lines.....not so lightning.
I’m not sure to what extent it will add more people into the Lightning Lanes. Virtually everyone who buys it will either buy it instead of a VIP tour, which usually uses the Lightning Lanes, or instead of the Multipass LL. At AK it’s possible to get LLs for all the rides anyway using multipass. At Epcot much the same except for the Remy vs Frozen choice, which many guests get around by rope dropping one (during early entry if staying onsite). At MK and DHS it will almost certainly increase the number of rides people do using the Lightning lanes. However the numbers buying this will be small. The jury is out for me on this. As it stands, the numbers who buy it will be negligible and have little impact. It has a negligible impact at DLP where the cost is maxed at around $230 covering 15 rides. In comparison you could buy around 12 individual ride passes for the same amount. However the biggest difference there is that other than Crush, lines tend to be much shorter. An hour for Big Thunder is about typical, for example. Crush can be 90 minutes or more. |
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Post by fuzzylogic on Oct 16, 2024 10:17:44 GMT -5
Still not seeing how offering this to people who make way more money than me is chipping away at my experience. Anyone who would buy this... would have bought LLMP/SP/Tours anyways. It's just a way to accept more money from people who are willing to give it. It's not adding more weight on the LL lines, it's making it so if you want to pay for it, you can be handed everything in the park on a silver platter w/o doing any work at all. It's a very targeted offer. Some people have the discretionary funds to where $2400 for a premier day is perfectly affordable. It makes sense for Disney to go after this. At AK it’s possible to get LLs for all the rides anyway using multipass. At Epcot much the same except for the Remy vs Frozen choice, which many guests get around by rope dropping one (during early entry if staying onsite). At MK and DHS it will almost certainly increase the number of rides people do using the Lightning lanes. However the numbers buying this will be small. As it stands, the numbers who buy it will be negligible and have little impact. Yes. Anyone buying this will be negligible and have little impact. You can ride everything everywhere w/o going to this extreme cost, and anyone for whom the $200-$400 cost would be cost prohibitive or unaffordable should not worry about someone else buying this. The more they do, the more your park is funded. |
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Post by helenabear on Oct 16, 2024 10:21:09 GMT -5
By adding more and more people into the lightning lanes, they start becoming more like the standby lines.....not so lightning. I’m not sure to what extent it will add more people into the Lightning Lanes. Virtually everyone who buys it will either buy it instead of a VIP tour, which usually uses the Lightning Lanes, or instead of the Multipass LL. Not sure I agree with this.... VIP tours are costly by comparison if a family of 4. This might take from whatever they call it now but still. |
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Post by baymaxfan on Oct 16, 2024 11:25:38 GMT -5
Maybe I’m wrong, but I agree with the sentiment that 1) the number buying this won’t be large and 2) those buying this would have purchased multipass/individual LL or VIP anyway.
Some of us on this board have been asking for this. A VIP pass that does not have a time restrictions and is good on all LL rides (no more individual and multipass stuff). I can see purchasing this once in a blue moon when traveling with guests who rarely go to Disney and want to do everything. Otherwise, my family won’t need this. This is really no different than the Paris Disney pass or the one you can get with the Tokyo Disney VIP packages. And the one for Tokyo Disney is only available with a VIP hotel package.
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Post by john2247 on Oct 16, 2024 11:41:34 GMT -5
Safe to say that Disney has lost their way and become just another theme park trying to extract every last cent from their customers. so much for that Disney difference. We have been going to Walt Disney World almost every year for 30 years and have been DVC members for 20 plus years, but this is beyond the pale. Pure greed! I am reminded of the Star Cruiser and the Fort Wilderness Cabins and I wonder. |
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Post by baymaxfan on Oct 16, 2024 11:43:04 GMT -5
Safe to say that Disney has lost their way and become just another theme park trying to extract every last cent from their customers. so much for that Disney difference. We have been going to Walt Disney World almost every year for 30 years and have been DVC members for 20 plus years, but this is beyond the pale. Pure greed! I am reminded of the Star Cruiser and the Fort Wilderness Cabins and I wonder. Is this really any different than VIP tours or Club 33 for that matter? Would these two examples not be considered even more “greedy” than this upcoming offering? |
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Post by WDWGoof on Oct 16, 2024 12:20:59 GMT -5
Just feel like everything is getting so far away from the average person. More and more separation from the haves and have nots. Doesn’t have to be that way. Keep the three Fastpasses a day allowing everyone to enjoy the parks equally. There are plenty of other options to upsell to those who can afford more and keep funds flowing for Disney.
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Post by applegrcoug on Oct 16, 2024 16:45:19 GMT -5
But on the other hand....
How much does it cost for snow white? How about Tron? Then add on Genie+. What is the marginal cost increase to just go whole hog?
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Post by baymaxfan on Oct 16, 2024 21:44:18 GMT -5
But on the other hand.... How much does it cost for snow white? How about Tron? Then add on Genie+. What is the marginal cost increase to just go whole hog? I’m here now. Tron is $20, 7DMT is $12, and the multipass LL is $27. Total would be $59. This fluctuates based on day and season. But still. $59 is leaps and bounds cheaper than the $329-$449 for MK. |
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Post by a1000monkeys on Oct 17, 2024 1:23:20 GMT -5
What will it destroy? It's "supposed to" maximize revenue by charging for time-saving features, and it will do that. Having an option to take lots of money from people willing to spend lots of money is a good thing. Something for every spend level. So I don't see a problem with it. At $400 I wouldn't buy this when I can spend a fraction of that and get on every ride in the park. This is just a way to be easy for anyone who's time / value proposition is beyond having to do things like get up early or plan a next ride on your phone. You can just walk from ride to ride and skip any line like a VIP. Does anyone on this board really have a hard time riding what you want at MK in a day? We were just there this weekend and rode Tron (twice), Space, Buzz, HM, Thunder, Tiana, a few small things, and left the park by 12:30, got to EPCOT, and a virutal queue for Guardians. We were up at 6 tho. With this pass you could show up at noon and do all that. By adding more and more people into the lightning lanes, they start becoming more like the standby lines.....not so lightning.
Year by year, Disney keeps chipping away at all the things that made Disney World great. Look at DVC, you can see the devaluing of the program over the past 25 years. It started small at first, but has accelerated the past 8-10 years. Dining Plan is another example. Going back to the start of the Fast Pass system to where it is now.....How is this better?
Or as Syndrome said, when everybody is super, then nobody will be. im actually glad they priced it so high that few people will actually purchase it. If they priced it at $75 it would be a nightmare. also, I heard one reviewer say it’s only good for one time per ride and does not include ILL attractions or rides that don’t have lightning lane ( like Peter Pan at DL). Overpriced IMHO. |
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Post by nickys on Oct 17, 2024 3:02:01 GMT -5
also, I heard one reviewer say it’s only good for one time per ride and does not include ILL attractions or rides that don’t have lightning lane ( like Peter Pan at DL). It is good for all lightning lane rides, whether those included in the multi pass or single pass. |
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Post by bakerworld on Oct 17, 2024 9:00:56 GMT -5
As we have resisted purchasing G+, this isn't going to be on our radar. We just gave into to the LL purchase plan BECAUSE I can sit at home to make my selection. As I have resisted renewing our park tickets, this wouldn't effect us unless we can just purchase Premier Access without purchasing a park ticket, which is not my understanding of this offering. What this Premier crap offering is going to do is drive away the one-time park visitors who already think WDW is too expensive. The neighbors across the street never took their kids to Disney because they felt the expense didn't meet the expectation of enjoyment and that was in the 90's. Practically our whole neighborhood has never understood why we go to WDW.
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