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Post by fuzzylogic on Oct 21, 2024 13:40:31 GMT -5
There aren't now. I paid $30 for basically one ride, cuz the other two did not add value. So aren't we there really? I picked up a second and third thing for the evenings, which makes them approx $10 each. If they were $10 each, I would have bought the same 3, spent the same $30, but had none of the hassle of checking my phone.
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Post by Hi from RI on Oct 21, 2024 14:01:15 GMT -5
ugh...
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Post by DrMinnie on Oct 22, 2024 17:44:15 GMT -5
There aren't now. I paid $30 for basically one ride, cuz the other two did not add value. So aren't we there really? I picked up a second and third thing for the evenings, which makes them approx $10 each. If they were $10 each, I would have bought the same 3, spent the same $30, but had none of the hassle of checking my phone. I think the strategy is to not buy them on days you don’t need to. If it’s a once in a lifetime trip it’s probably worth it. If it Christmas week and/or you want to ensure 3 rides… probably worth it. (But maybe assume you can’t get a useful 4th… so schedule around you, not the optimal as early as possible). I really preferred genie+. Stacking stuff for a second park later in the day was a game changer. But park hoping to AK with 3 rides booked isn’t a bad idea either. Right now I think it’s the worst offering at Epcot.. |
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Post by brp on Oct 22, 2024 20:26:39 GMT -5
There aren't now. I paid $30 for basically one ride, cuz the other two did not add value. So aren't we there really? I picked up a second and third thing for the evenings, which makes them approx $10 each. If they were $10 each, I would have bought the same 3, spent the same $30, but had none of the hassle of checking my phone. I think the strategy is to not buy them... Fixed that for ya 
Cheers.
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Post by FessParker1 on Oct 22, 2024 21:27:39 GMT -5
Another vote for no thanks. 3. A trip to Disney would look like a bunch of doctors' appointments - everything scheduled in specific time slots. More like a series of prostate exams... Cheers. Yeah, minus the lube. |
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Post by DrMinnie on Oct 23, 2024 9:12:34 GMT -5
I think the strategy is to not buy them... Fixed that for ya 
Cheers.
Haha I’m becoming more in that camp. But my spouse looks at it from a different angle. We aren’t retired yet. And our vacation time is precious. Now when we can switch to going during times that are less busy than Christmas week……… |
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Oct 23, 2024 10:32:50 GMT -5
I really preferred genie+. This statement is interesting to me. When genie+ came out, we all thought it was the worst thing in the world. Then, just like anything, you get used to it and forget about the good ole days of FP+ and FP before it. THEN, they spring something even worse (in our minds) upon us and suddenly the thing we hated (genie+) is suddenly the thing we long for. |
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Oct 23, 2024 10:43:58 GMT -5
And our vacation time is precious. I am of the opinion that these products that Disney rolls out at us change the "vacation" into "a trip"; as in what used to be "I'm going on vacation to Disney World" now becomes "I'm going on a trip to Disney World." My opinion, of course, but we don't buy any of these genie things etc, we just wake up in the morning at whatever time and go to the park and have fun. Then I watch everyone here talking about how to use the various levels of new product options help them complete their punch list for their upcoming "trip" they have planned. |
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Post by brp on Oct 23, 2024 11:21:59 GMT -5
For us, it is a trip. And the primary purpose is to go to parks. If we're not going to parks, there are so many better places to be. Hanging out at Disney just for the sake of it, and not going to parks daily, is pretty low on the "where do we want to go" list.
For us, also, we don't distinguish between "trip" and "vacation." They are synonymous.
Cheers.
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Post by DrMinnie on Oct 24, 2024 8:29:20 GMT -5
I really preferred genie+. This statement is interesting to me. When genie+ came out, we all thought it was the worst thing in the world. Then, just like anything, you get used to it and forget about the good ole days of FP+ and FP before it. THEN, they spring something even worse (in our minds) upon us and suddenly the thing we hated (genie+) is suddenly the thing we long for. I hadn’t figured out the free fastpass+ yet. We could never get any of the priorities with the old system. With genie+ I was on a level playing field learning it with everyone else. It’s hard to learn a new game when you’re playing with too many experts. And our vacation time is precious. I am of the opinion that these products that Disney rolls out at us change the "vacation" into "a trip"; as in what used to be "I'm going on vacation to Disney World" now becomes "I'm going on a trip to Disney World." My opinion, of course, but we don't buy any of these genie things etc, we just wake up in the morning at whatever time and go to the park and have fun. Then I watch everyone here talking about how to use the various levels of new product options help them complete their punch list for their upcoming "trip" they have planned. If we’re not on a trip, it’s not vacation. And why would you go to florida if you’re not going to the parks? The weather is terrible for 9 months of the year! Also, waiting in lines is not fun. Riding rides is fun. So avoiding the lines by using the products = more fun. But that’s how we roll. |
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Post by baymaxfan on Oct 24, 2024 9:22:08 GMT -5
I really preferred genie+. This statement is interesting to me. When genie+ came out, we all thought it was the worst thing in the world. Then, just like anything, you get used to it and forget about the good ole days of FP+ and FP before it. THEN, they spring something even worse (in our minds) upon us and suddenly the thing we hated (genie+) is suddenly the thing we long for. That is an interesting observation. It is seems to be true. When FP+ came out, many were vocally against it. Then, when Genie+ came out, suddenly it seemed that everyone longed for FP+. It might boil down to that, in general, people don't like change especially for a system that is slightly complex like FP/Genie/multipass. Once you become an "expert" at whatever system is in place, perhaps most of the groans come from just having to learn or think about a new system. Having said that, I do think that Disney changes these systems way too frequently. As frequent goers, we seldom use them. The once in a lifetime person won't know the difference. But the people who go relatively frequently (once every few years) get confused with nomenclature that is awfully similar. Why even change the nomenclature? Why couldn't everything still be called FP or FP+ but just with different rules? |
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Post by johnb on Oct 24, 2024 10:14:26 GMT -5
This statement is interesting to me. When genie+ came out, we all thought it was the worst thing in the world. Then, just like anything, you get used to it and forget about the good ole days of FP+ and FP before it. THEN, they spring something even worse (in our minds) upon us and suddenly the thing we hated (genie+) is suddenly the thing we long for. That is an interesting observation. It is seems to be true. When FP+ came out, many were vocally against it. Then, when Genie+ came out, suddenly it seemed that everyone longed for FP+. It might boil down to that, in general, people don't like change especially for a system that is slightly complex like FP/Genie/multipass. Once you become an "expert" at whatever system is in place, perhaps most of the groans come from just having to learn or think about a new system. Having said that, I do think that Disney changes these systems way too frequently. As frequent goers, we seldom use them. The once in a lifetime person won't know the difference. But the people who go relatively frequently (once every few years) get confused with nomenclature that is awfully similar. Why even change the nomenclature? Why couldn't everything still be called FP or FP+ but just with different rules? The result of guest satisfaction surveys? That's my guess. If they are surveying first time and/or infrequent guests, and the overall feedback is negative, they're going to change the system. They need that infusion of first time guests, because they spend the most money. |
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Oct 24, 2024 10:20:58 GMT -5
For us, also, we don't distinguish between "trip" and "vacation." They are synonymous. "I have to take a vacation to the dentist" "a vacation to the grocery store" car repair place, hospital, returning stuff, the cable place. All trips, all punch lists of tasks to be completed. You might also take a trip to Disney, yes, but to take a vacation. Hopefully. |
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Post by fuzzylogic on Oct 24, 2024 10:51:36 GMT -5
This statement is interesting to me. When genie+ came out, we all thought it was the worst thing in the world. Then, just like anything, you get used to it and forget about the good ole days of FP+ and FP before it. THEN, they spring something even worse (in our minds) upon us and suddenly the thing we hated (genie+) is suddenly the thing we long for. I agree. I've lived thru all the systems... and every new iteration is met with outrage and vitriol. They do change a lot - but is that Disney, or is that life evolving? AI and technology is advancing at a screaming pace right now. I have fond memories going back to FP- and beyond... I remember running in the mob to grab a ticket to Toy Story, then trying to meet my party before they got thru the standby line into the building. People hated FP+ because you couldn't run from kiosk to kiosk grabbing tickets and pocketing them till later (stacking, today). FP+ killed the runner... but created the technological masters: Take everyone's bands to a kiosk and swipe them for passes while others wait in line... Use old bands to hold more same-day passes (later patched); use prebooked passes from family members who haven't swiped in to a park (later patched); use bands from people not even on a trip but who have annual passes (later patched). Club-level special fast passes for the elite (yay! 6 per day was awesome for the short time this existed). FastPasses were so gone to everything they extended passes to rides that never needed them before. Covid came and was a chance for Disney to nix all that eliminate the system that was fraught with abuse, and reset. Standby lines were good again. G+ replaced it but the 3 free never came back. You got them in a metered fashion to prevent rides being fully booked 30 days out. Ppl figured out how to manipulate that and queue up a bunch for later while not even being in a park. LLMP lets you only get another as you use one - and it costs money so not everyone will do it. They keep evolving. Personally, I'm good when things change up. Each time it's a new game to figure out. |
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Post by baymaxfan on Oct 24, 2024 12:01:23 GMT -5
This statement is interesting to me. When genie+ came out, we all thought it was the worst thing in the world. Then, just like anything, you get used to it and forget about the good ole days of FP+ and FP before it. THEN, they spring something even worse (in our minds) upon us and suddenly the thing we hated (genie+) is suddenly the thing we long for. I agree. I've lived thru all the systems... and every new iteration is met with outrage and vitriol. They do change a lot - but is that Disney, or is that life evolving? AI and technology is advancing at a screaming pace right now. I have fond memories going back to FP- and beyond... I remember running in the mob to grab a ticket to Toy Story, then trying to meet my party before they got thru the standby line into the building. People hated FP+ because you couldn't run from kiosk to kiosk grabbing tickets and pocketing them till later (stacking, today). FP+ killed the runner... but created the technological masters: Take everyone's bands to a kiosk and swipe them for passes while others wait in line... Use old bands to hold more same-day passes (later patched); use prebooked passes from family members who haven't swiped in to a park (later patched); use bands from people not even on a trip but who have annual passes (later patched). Club-level special fast passes for the elite (yay! 6 per day was awesome for the short time this existed). FastPasses were so gone to everything they extended passes to rides that never needed them before. Covid came and was a chance for Disney to nix all that eliminate the system that was fraught with abuse, and reset. Standby lines were good again. G+ replaced it but the 3 free never came back. You got them in a metered fashion to prevent rides being fully booked 30 days out. Ppl figured out how to manipulate that and queue up a bunch for later while not even being in a park. LLMP lets you only get another as you use one - and it costs money so not everyone will do it. They keep evolving. Personally, I'm good when things change up. Each time it's a new game to figure out. Great summary! I think most of us have forgotten or never knew some of the abuses that developed with the various systems. I'm sure there is some abuse that will be exploited with the current system, but then a new system will unfold and start everything from square one again. I feel that some of the newer systems were designed with the intent of at least trying to level the playing field for the occasional guest vs. the frequent guest. |
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