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Post by nickys on Sept 26, 2023 10:40:02 GMT -5
Since we are allowed to pool hop except to storm along bay and the main Poly pool. Resort hopping has been suspended since the Covid re-opening, with no sign of it returning. With the additional facilities they seem to be adding here I’m having a hard time believing this will just be an extension of the existing Poly association. I think this is looking more like CCV vs BRV (or VWL). |
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Post by helenabear on Sept 26, 2023 11:10:25 GMT -5
they are probably going to be scary. I was happy to see the 2 bathrooms in the 1BD though. Give me a Lake View Room.....I don't nee theme park view.
This is the way.
I'll be a sucker and do both Since we are allowed to pool hop except to storm along bay and the main Poly pool. Resort hopping has been suspended since the Covid re-opening, with no sign of it returning. With the additional facilities they seem to be adding here I’m having a hard time believing this will just be an extension of the existing Poly association. I think this is looking more like CCV vs BRV (or VWL). Totally not following why. And why question this now only? SSR added pools and such without new associations. CCV actually added nothing and was separate. AKV was same. VGF was same. CCV difference was time left in contract vs all the others. Plus I'm still sticking to hope that clues given over the year since announced hold true. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Sept 26, 2023 12:19:12 GMT -5
I am still in the camp that thinks this will part of existing Poly DVC, not a new "separate" resort.
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Post by nickys on Sept 26, 2023 12:26:34 GMT -5
Resort hopping has been suspended since the Covid re-opening, with no sign of it returning. With the additional facilities they seem to be adding here I’m having a hard time believing this will just be an extension of the existing Poly association. I think this is looking more like CCV vs BRV (or VWL). Totally not following why. And why question this now only? SSR added pools and such without new associations. CCV actually added nothing and was separate. AKV was same. VGF was same. CCV difference was time left in contract vs all the others. Plus I'm still sticking to hope that clues given over the year since announced hold true. I’ve been saying a separate association for a while now. But I think what is making me say it again is the difference between GFV & the resort studios vs the Poly situation. For GFV existing owners only got more studios added to their resort. Studios that were converted from original rooms, with a different feel to them. Nothing else amenities wise that wasn’t there before. The Poly tower is not only adding 1, 2 & 3-bed villas, there are also seemingly the “duo” studios too, plus the larger villas have the extra bathroom. A new pool, a new TS, a gym &/or community hall, rooftop space of some sort. What incentive does DVC have to give all that to existing owners as it were? I realise it happened before, at SSR and to some extent at Kidani. But at SSR it was one new type of room, albeit pretty cool (even if not to everyone’s tastes) and certainly unique. And it was some time ago. At Kidani it was totally different again, they built a dedicated DVC resort, and doubled the amenities like the pool and gym. I do believe that like at CCV & BRV, all amenities will be open to guests at both. With the possible exception of a rooftop bar, which could be DVC only - although I think they’ll follow the Topolino’s set-up there, not TOTW. I also know you’re hoping for one Association. I have no emotional feelings either way and I’m completely impartial in my opinion. If we were to stay at the Poly at some time I’ll use the point charts as the decider whether to go for 2 original studios for a few nights or one of the 1 or 2-bed villas. |
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Post by helenabear on Sept 26, 2023 12:41:48 GMT -5
Totally not following why. And why question this now only? SSR added pools and such without new associations. CCV actually added nothing and was separate. AKV was same. VGF was same. CCV difference was time left in contract vs all the others. Plus I'm still sticking to hope that clues given over the year since announced hold true. I’ve been saying a separate association for a while now. But I think what is making me say it again is the difference between GFV & the resort studios vs the Poly situation. For GFV existing owners only got more studios added to their resort. Studios that were converted from original rooms, with a different feel to them. Nothing else amenities wise that wasn’t there before. The Poly tower is not only adding 1, 2 & 3-bed villas, there are also seemingly the “duo” studios too, plus the larger villas have the extra bathroom. A new pool, a new TS, a gym &/or community hall, rooftop space of some sort. What incentive does DVC have to give all that to existing owners as it were? I realise it happened before, at SSR and to some extent at Kidani. But at SSR it was one new type of room, albeit pretty cool (even if not to everyone’s tastes) and certainly unique. And it was some time ago. At Kidani it was totally different again, they built a dedicated DVC resort, and doubled the amenities like the pool and gym. I do believe that like at CCV & BRV, all amenities will be open to guests at both. With the possible exception of a rooftop bar, which could be DVC only - although I think they’ll follow the Topolino’s set-up there, not TOTW. I also know you’re hoping for one Association. I have no emotional feelings either way and I’m completely impartial in my opinion. If we were to stay at the Poly at some time I’ll use the point charts as the decider whether to go for 2 original studios for a few nights or one of the 1 or 2-bed villas. Some extent at Kidani? They opened a whole new section after Jambo and tossed them together. SSR was many years in the making and they added the THV when the resort was almost sold out after having 3 phases that kept adding totals as time went on (albeit in most planned initially, but not all were). I honestly don't care which way it goes. I'm adding more. Just depends on how and if I sell off contracts. Sure one is easier but my thoughts are based on history. Clues given since it was announced. They can change their mind, but I think VGF actually showed us they're happier with one association than 2. Polynesian is adding a pool yes. Some dining which is needed after they took away two spots at Polynesian. No official on gym though and truthfully shocked if they do given how close the gym is to there. The rest is kinda unknown. Maybe being members longer, this has me not understanding the arguments. Disney can do what they want for sure, but I personally look at history and realize there was one and only one exception so far and it's obvious why. SSR snd AKV really set the precedent and VGF solidified it. Also announcement of the 17th property spoke volumes to many who follow more closely than most. |
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Post by nickys on Sept 26, 2023 12:44:29 GMT -5
I don’t actually understand the exception at WL. Was it the end dates? In which case what were the different dates and what will they be at the Poly (assuming it opens next year)?
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Post by helenabear on Sept 26, 2023 12:55:44 GMT -5
I don’t actually understand the exception at WL. Was it the end dates? In which case what were the different dates and what will they be at the Poly (assuming it opens next year)? Yes, VWL originally was one of the last of the 2042 resorts. BCV was the last and after that, with SSR being the first, got extended end dates. VWL opened in 2000 and had 42 years and not the original 50 they had given at first. BCV was the last with only 40 years - which seems to be a current limit for new adds. SSR was given 50 years again at the start at that point. By the time CCV opened in 2017, there were only 25 years left. 17 years total between opening of each. 25 years was not enough for them. PVB will be at 42 years left in 2024 and 9 years apart. VGF was at 42 also last year when part 2 opened and also 9 years apart. And forgive if my math or number typos exist, they should be right... lol |
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Post by tomandrobin on Sept 26, 2023 14:10:11 GMT -5
Resort hopping has been suspended since the Covid re-opening, with no sign of it returning. With the additional facilities they seem to be adding here I’m having a hard time believing this will just be an extension of the existing Poly association. I think this is looking more like CCV vs BRV (or VWL). Ha....says you! Only BCV enforces pool hopping, sort of.
Adding the pool means nothing. SSR, AKV, VGF all added pool or expanded with no impact.
In VGF case, MF should have dropped since you greatly increased the MF base, but added zero amenities. Which really should be another discussion.
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Post by tomandrobin on Sept 26, 2023 14:15:29 GMT -5
I don’t actually understand the exception at WL. Was it the end dates? In which case what were the different dates and what will they be at the Poly (assuming it opens next year)? Yes, VWL originally was one of the last of the 2042 resorts. BCV was the last and after that, with SSR being the first, got extended end dates. VWL opened in 2000 and had 42 years and not the original 50 they had given at first. BCV was the last with only 40 years - which seems to be a current limit for new adds. SSR was given 50 years again at the start at that point. By the time CCV opened in 2017, there were only 25 years left. 17 years total between opening of each. 25 years was not enough for them. PVB will be at 42 years left in 2024 and 9 years apart. VGF was at 42 also last year when part 2 opened and also 9 years apart. And forgive if my math or number typos exist, they should be right... lolI agree with you on VWL/BRV/CCV. The expiration was too short to sell. Plus look at it from the future. In 2042, when BEV expires, CCV will still be going strong. BRV will probably be the first of the 2042 resorts renovated and resold anew. It will be quick and easy. This will buy time to gut and redo BWV, which is a much larger and more complicated resort. I don't think BCV will be renewed and resold as DVC right away. |
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Post by helenabear on Sept 26, 2023 15:22:30 GMT -5
Yes, VWL originally was one of the last of the 2042 resorts. BCV was the last and after that, with SSR being the first, got extended end dates. VWL opened in 2000 and had 42 years and not the original 50 they had given at first. BCV was the last with only 40 years - which seems to be a current limit for new adds. SSR was given 50 years again at the start at that point. By the time CCV opened in 2017, there were only 25 years left. 17 years total between opening of each. 25 years was not enough for them. PVB will be at 42 years left in 2024 and 9 years apart. VGF was at 42 also last year when part 2 opened and also 9 years apart. And forgive if my math or number typos exist, they should be right... lolI agree with you on VWL/BRV/CCV. The expiration was too short to sell. Plus look at it from the future. In 2042, when BEV expires, CCV will still be going strong. BRV will probably be the first of the 2042 resorts renovated and resold anew. It will be quick and easy. This will buy time to gut and redo BWV, which is a much larger and more complicated resort. I don't think BCV will be renewed and resold as DVC right away. I hadn't thought of that but very true! I do not know which will be redone but I definitely think some will be renovated and resold. Hopefully more of a full gutting like PVB vs VGF resort rooms though. I do think BWV would be the last of the 2042. I actually do think BCV has a decent shot of coming back or at least they'll add to YC to give that as they redo the other two. Unless something changes big time, DVC is a cash cow for them. Though they are probably less than whelmed with RR sales. |
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Post by Brian5581 on Sept 26, 2023 16:02:43 GMT -5
Still holding out hope for my rooftop restaurant...
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Post by disney54us on Sept 26, 2023 17:43:10 GMT -5
What will be funny is to look back, after all is announced of will the Poly remain part of the Poly or not? What about the pool, amenities?
For all the discussions, here say.
I’m still, wishing, hoping it is as some believe will be part of the original Poly. I don’t want to add more points….
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Sept 26, 2023 19:56:16 GMT -5
I am leaning towards a new association. One factor stands out. Riviera is a stand alone new DVC as is the new Poly2..and Villas at Disneyland is to some extent. If DVC is going to stick with the model of resale restrictions, it would need to be continued with the new Poly2 tower building. If this building is excluded and is a part of the existing association, then that tells me they have abandoned the resale restriction model. I think they have too much invested at this point to abandon it.
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Post by helenabear on Sept 26, 2023 21:27:42 GMT -5
I am leaning towards a new association. One factor stands out. Riviera is a stand alone new DVC as is the new Poly2..and Villas at Disneyland is to some extent. If DVC is going to stick with the model of resale restrictions, it would need to be continued with the new Poly2 tower building. If this building is excluded and is a part of the existing association, then that tells me they have abandoned the resale restriction model. I think they have too much invested at this point to abandon it. What about VGF? If they didn't do it there then I would agree with you. VGF came after RR though. Honestly with the transient tax change for the new DL DVC, I think they had to make that separate. VGC pays through dues. I'd hate to see dues if added that way with the new. Plus they are entirely different locations much like RR wasn't an expansion of any DVC. What will be funny is to look back, after all is announced of will the Poly remain part of the Poly or not? What about the pool, amenities? For all the discussions, here say. I’m still, wishing, hoping it is as some believe will be part of the original Poly. I don’t want to add more points…. It's already labeled under Polynesian Village Resort which encompasses both the hotel and current DVC |
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Sept 27, 2023 7:45:56 GMT -5
VGF already had the building in existence. It was a small easy flip, not a total new build. Disney would have had a hard sell creating it as a new association. And it opens the door to add further buildings to the association. Now they could have done what they did at CCV and create the main building as a separate DVC. But they would lose a lot of cash doing that. But ya never know.
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