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Post by helenabear on Sept 27, 2023 10:26:07 GMT -5
VGF already had the building in existence. It was a small easy flip, not a total new build. Disney would have had a hard sell creating it as a new association. And it opens the door to add further buildings to the association. Now they could have done what they did at CCV and create the main building as a separate DVC. But they would lose a lot of cash doing that. But ya never know. Guess I'm not understanding the reasoning. If DVC wanted they would have made VGF different. They didn't. My clues are the words used to reps saying expansion. Also all the other additions outside of CCV being same association. VGF being same really spoke volumes to me. Doesn't mater how they added, but they did using identical time frames. Then D'Amaro saying to me that PVB owners should be happy with it. Maybe he misspoke who knows. It was an off the cuff comment meeting him in person last summer. Labeling it under the Polynesian Resort umbrella. Then announcing Ft Wilderness as 17th resort for DVC. I'm not sure of any bonuses to making it separate tbh. There could be but not sure I see it. VGF is outselling RR the majority of the time, so new builds in FL aren't necessarily a bonus. CA with restrictions is another ball game. I will say I can be totally wrong and some info comes from others arguing and not me. Could be I'm angry with park reservations next year and don't buy anyway for all I know  |
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Sept 27, 2023 18:18:25 GMT -5
Ok so I haven’t been to WDW in a couple of years. I thought park reservations were dropping?
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Post by helenabear on Sept 27, 2023 18:38:02 GMT -5
Not for AP holders. I still will have to make them for spring break. Rather annoyed.
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Post by disney54us on Sept 27, 2023 19:49:52 GMT -5
Not for AP holders. I still will have to make them for spring break. Rather annoyed. Haven’t had AP’s for years, but they are still making you make park reservations? |
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Post by helenabear on Sept 27, 2023 19:58:15 GMT -5
Not for AP holders. I still will have to make them for spring break. Rather annoyed. Haven’t had AP’s for years, but they are still making you make park reservations? Yup... only dated tickets are dropping at this time. I'm still miffed anyone staying onsite has to make them. So over it. It's obnoxious to think that next year my onsite friends with dated tickets don't have to do them, but I do and I'm the one who spends more there  |
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Post by disney54us on Sept 27, 2023 20:02:40 GMT -5
Haven’t had AP’s for years, but they are still making you make park reservations? Yup... only dated tickets are dropping at this time. I'm still miffed anyone staying onsite has to make them. So over it. It's obnoxious to think that next year my onsite friends with dated tickets don't have to do them, but I do and I'm the one who spends more there I agree, makes no sense to me. AP holders spend a lot, I know if the trips are timed right it works out. The reservation system is not needed and those spending all that money should have the same ‘privilege’ or what was the norm pre Covid just like everyone else. We are going into 3024, time to move on or maybe back to what was. |
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Post by mcd on Sept 27, 2023 20:03:14 GMT -5
VGF already had the building in existence. It was a small easy flip, not a total new build. Disney would have had a hard sell creating it as a new association. And it opens the door to add further buildings to the association. Now they could have done what they did at CCV and create the main building as a separate DVC. But they would lose a lot of cash doing that. But ya never know. Guess I'm not understanding the reasoning. If DVC wanted they would have made VGF different. They didn't. My clues are the words used to reps saying expansion. Also all the other additions outside of CCV being same association. VGF being same really spoke volumes to me. Doesn't mater how they added, but they did using identical time frames. Then D'Amaro saying to me that PVB owners should be happy with it. Maybe he misspoke who knows. It was an off the cuff comment meeting him in person last summer. Labeling it under the Polynesian Resort umbrella. Then announcing Ft Wilderness as 17th resort for DVC. I'm not sure of any bonuses to making it separate tbh. There could be but not sure I see it. VGF is outselling RR the majority of the time, so new builds in FL aren't necessarily a bonus. CA with restrictions is another ball game. I will say I can be totally wrong and some info comes from others arguing and not me. Could be I'm angry with park reservations next year and don't buy anyway for all I know I was at Disney last week and ended up talking to a couple DVC guys at Beach Club. One of them was some kind of supervisor for DVC salespeople. I asked about the new Poly build assuming he would give me a non-answer. Surprisingly, he said I should expect it to be a separate property from PVB. Obviously not what I wanted to hear. Maybe he didn't know anything and was purely speculating. I am anxious to find out. I believe from discussions on here a couple months ago, we expect to hear something on this around the end of the year/first of next year based on timelines of previous marketing campaigns of new DVC resorts. |
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Post by helenabear on Sept 27, 2023 20:13:39 GMT -5
Yup... only dated tickets are dropping at this time. I'm still miffed anyone staying onsite has to make them. So over it. It's obnoxious to think that next year my onsite friends with dated tickets don't have to do them, but I do and I'm the one who spends more there I agree, makes no sense to me. AP holders spend a lot, I know if the trips are timed right it works out. The reservation system is not needed and those spending all that money should have the same ‘privilege’ or what was the norm pre Covid just like everyone else. We are going into 3024, time to move on or maybe back to what was. AP holders who are in and out don't spend as much. Those onsite spend more. I probably spend more than my friends because I have the fluidity to do so. Right now I am so grumpy about these park reservations that I plan to just keep my savings. Gosh it bugs me. I hope they really quit it for APs most of the time if not all, soon. At least if onsite. Guess I'm not understanding the reasoning. If DVC wanted they would have made VGF different. They didn't. My clues are the words used to reps saying expansion. Also all the other additions outside of CCV being same association. VGF being same really spoke volumes to me. Doesn't mater how they added, but they did using identical time frames. Then D'Amaro saying to me that PVB owners should be happy with it. Maybe he misspoke who knows. It was an off the cuff comment meeting him in person last summer. Labeling it under the Polynesian Resort umbrella. Then announcing Ft Wilderness as 17th resort for DVC. I'm not sure of any bonuses to making it separate tbh. There could be but not sure I see it. VGF is outselling RR the majority of the time, so new builds in FL aren't necessarily a bonus. CA with restrictions is another ball game. I will say I can be totally wrong and some info comes from others arguing and not me. Could be I'm angry with park reservations next year and don't buy anyway for all I know I was at Disney last week and ended up talking to a couple DVC guys at Beach Club. One of them was some kind of supervisor for DVC salespeople. I asked about the new Poly build assuming he would give me a non-answer. Surprisingly, he said I should expect it to be a separate property from PVB. Obviously not what I wanted to hear. Maybe he didn't know anything and was purely speculating. I am anxious to find out. I believe from discussions on here a couple months ago, we expect to hear something on this around the end of the year/first of next year based on timelines of previous marketing campaigns of new DVC resorts. Speculating is all they can do at the moment. No guide has an answer to give. You better believe the uppers know though. Or know what was initially planned and may change depending. I've heard guides say both yes and no to new association and others who give the cannot say at this time answer. The latter is the right answer. Any other guide saying otherwise is guessing. We'll know before it goes on sale. Guessing spring or so to know. |
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Sept 27, 2023 20:59:52 GMT -5
I hope they really quit it for APs most of the time if not all, soon. At least if onsite. I know I've said this before, but if I have AP and I am staying onsite, 90-some per cent chance I'll be at a park for at least part of the day. Tie it to dining (which surely AP holders do at a somewhat higher rate than others) and you've got some very solid data. For the other days, they can use their standard algorithms for reasonable guesses as to which park we'd be in. Bam, almost all the goodness (for them) of me making park reservations, without all that pesky blowback. Now that I think about it, on our last trip, I changed park reservations nearly every single day morning-of, but we never changed our dining reservations. So in my case at least, it would seem looking at my dining reservations makes better data than my park reservations. |
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Sept 27, 2023 21:08:47 GMT -5
Haven’t had AP’s for years, but they are still making you make park reservations? Yup... only dated tickets are dropping at this time. I'm still miffed anyone staying onsite has to make them. So over it. It's obnoxious to think that next year my onsite friends with dated tickets don't have to do them, but I do and I'm the one who spends more there We still are using nonexpiring tickets. Do we still need to make a park reservation? |
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Post by helenabear on Sept 27, 2023 21:26:13 GMT -5
I hope they really quit it for APs most of the time if not all, soon. At least if onsite. I know I've said this before, but if I have AP and I am staying onsite, 90-some per cent chance I'll be at a park for at least part of the day. Tie it to dining (which surely AP holders do at a somewhat higher rate than others) and you've got some very solid data. For the other days, they can use their standard algorithms for reasonable guesses as to which park we'd be in. Bam, almost all the goodness (for them) of me making park reservations, without all that pesky blowback. Now that I think about it, on our last trip, I changed park reservations nearly every single day morning-of, but we never changed our dining reservations. So in my case at least, it would seem looking at my dining reservations makes better data than my park reservations. Yep! Even just a meal or a walkthrough. We are almost always in a park. We do breakfasts at the room usually but maybe a light meal on longer stays in the evening. Not all spend, but we do enough. They definitely can track onsite vs day visits. Yup... only dated tickets are dropping at this time. I'm still miffed anyone staying onsite has to make them. So over it. It's obnoxious to think that next year my onsite friends with dated tickets don't have to do them, but I do and I'm the one who spends more there We still are using nonexpiring tickets. Do we still need to make a park reservation? Yes you would as far as I can read. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Sept 28, 2023 4:01:11 GMT -5
I’ve been saying a separate association for a while now. But I think what is making me say it again is the difference between GFV & the resort studios vs the Poly situation. For GFV existing owners only got more studios added to their resort. Studios that were converted from original rooms, with a different feel to them. Nothing else amenities wise that wasn’t there before. The Poly tower is not only adding 1, 2 & 3-bed villas, there are also seemingly the “duo” studios too, plus the larger villas have the extra bathroom. A new pool, a new TS, a gym &/or community hall, rooftop space of some sort. What incentive does DVC have to give all that to existing owners as it were? I realise it happened before, at SSR and to some extent at Kidani. But at SSR it was one new type of room, albeit pretty cool (even if not to everyone’s tastes) and certainly unique. And it was some time ago. At Kidani it was totally different again, they built a dedicated DVC resort, and doubled the amenities like the pool and gym. I do believe that like at CCV & BRV, all amenities will be open to guests at both. With the possible exception of a rooftop bar, which could be DVC only - although I think they’ll follow the Topolino’s set-up there, not TOTW. I also know you’re hoping for one Association. I have no emotional feelings either way and I’m completely impartial in my opinion. If we were to stay at the Poly at some time I’ll use the point charts as the decider whether to go for 2 original studios for a few nights or one of the 1 or 2-bed villas. Some extent at Kidani? They opened a whole new section after Jambo and tossed them together. SSR was many years in the making and they added the THV when the resort was almost sold out after having 3 phases that kept adding totals as time went on (albeit in most planned initially, but not all were). I honestly don't care which way it goes. I'm adding more. Just depends on how and if I sell off contracts. Sure one is easier but my thoughts are based on history. Clues given since it was announced. They can change their mind, but I think VGF actually showed us they're happier with one association than 2. Polynesian is adding a pool yes. Some dining which is needed after they took away two spots at Polynesian. No official on gym though and truthfully shocked if they do given how close the gym is to there. The rest is kinda unknown. Maybe being members longer, this has me not understanding the arguments. Disney can do what they want for sure, but I personally look at history and realize there was one and only one exception so far and it's obvious why. SSR snd AKV really set the precedent and VGF solidified it. Also announcement of the 17th property spoke volumes to many who follow more closely than most. Actually, SSR was expanded twice.....Carousel and Treehouses |
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Post by helenabear on Sept 28, 2023 7:10:24 GMT -5
Some extent at Kidani? They opened a whole new section after Jambo and tossed them together. SSR was many years in the making and they added the THV when the resort was almost sold out after having 3 phases that kept adding totals as time went on (albeit in most planned initially, but not all were). I honestly don't care which way it goes. I'm adding more. Just depends on how and if I sell off contracts. Sure one is easier but my thoughts are based on history. Clues given since it was announced. They can change their mind, but I think VGF actually showed us they're happier with one association than 2. Polynesian is adding a pool yes. Some dining which is needed after they took away two spots at Polynesian. No official on gym though and truthfully shocked if they do given how close the gym is to there. The rest is kinda unknown. Maybe being members longer, this has me not understanding the arguments. Disney can do what they want for sure, but I personally look at history and realize there was one and only one exception so far and it's obvious why. SSR snd AKV really set the precedent and VGF solidified it. Also announcement of the 17th property spoke volumes to many who follow more closely than most. Actually, SSR was expanded twice.....Carousel and Treehouses Huh, I always thought Carousel was a part of the original idea, but built as part of phase 3. I had a dislike of SSR back then (much to my dismay) as my first visit was during phase 2 building in Congress Park. Was not a fan. Stayed away until 2021. So I didn't follow as much as others did back then. I do remember the uproar with the THVs though. I was a bit nostalgic about them even though they were a total tear down and rebuild of the originals. My 2nd Disney stay was at the villas LBV village area. But I do know that adding in a million or whatever points and possible hikes of MFs to have the THVs was super controversial at the time. |
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Sept 28, 2023 7:29:02 GMT -5
I am going to hold off and buy direct, regardless if it’s the same association or not. Resale prices are too high, and I am hoping there will be some intro pricing in the beginning. I wonder if Disney will continue the Magical Beginnings promo. For the amount of money I would be paying resale, I don’t want anything excluded from using my points. Really hoping the opening price is under $200.
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Post by helenabear on Sept 28, 2023 8:49:35 GMT -5
I've never used Magical Beginnings. I want the points usually lol but if I'm grumpy and on the fence with buying, I'll need good incentives. Resale prices for larger contracts have dropped a little from spring but still fairly high. There are a few more listed now than before as well. But still holding decent in prices. I do think this winter will show a lull as people decide to wait on info. If same association I will look at costs. If separate my OKW will go up for sale. I have no need to hang onto that if I get enough points for lake or TP views at PVB.
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