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Post by lovindisney on Nov 30, 2023 12:00:52 GMT -5
I am still waiting to hear if current Polynesian points can be used at the new tower like VGF or will it be like Copper Creek/Boulder Ridge.
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Post by helenabear on Dec 1, 2023 7:36:50 GMT -5
I am still waiting to hear if current Polynesian points can be used at the new tower like VGF or will it be like Copper Creek/Boulder Ridge. We won't know until next year when they prep for sales. Better chances of amending and keeping same (like VGF, SSR and AKL) but who knows if they'll decide otherwise. |
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Post by pooh bears mom on Dec 2, 2023 10:36:11 GMT -5
I am still waiting to hear if current Polynesian points can be used at the new tower like VGF or will it be like Copper Creek/Boulder Ridge. We are also waiting. If it can I will be very upset with myself for not buying PVD points. My gut is telling me it will be part of the same association since it is within 40 years. They could not have done the same for CCV - who would pay top dollar for 22 years? |
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Post by nickys on Dec 2, 2023 12:37:20 GMT -5
I am still waiting to hear if current Polynesian points can be used at the new tower like VGF or will it be like Copper Creek/Boulder Ridge. We are also waiting. If it can I will be very upset with myself for not buying PVD points. My gut is telling me it will be part of the same association since it is within 40 years. They could not have done the same for CCV - who would pay top dollar for 22 years? What’s the current direct price for BCV or BWV? There are still people willing to pay. |
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Post by helenabear on Dec 2, 2023 19:38:08 GMT -5
We are also waiting. If it can I will be very upset with myself for not buying PVD points. My gut is telling me it will be part of the same association since it is within 40 years. They could not have done the same for CCV - who would pay top dollar for 22 years? What’s the current direct price for BCV or BWV? There are still people willing to pay. Apples to oranges due to location. Better to do BRV and CCV. BRV is $215 and CCV is $250 last I knew. Sold out resorts are often priced way higher than new though. Fact is true, trying to sell CCV at BRV end years wouldn't have gone well. |
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Post by sawickipedia on Dec 3, 2023 4:04:53 GMT -5
catching up on this thread - like most here & as current PVB owner - would LOVE to have PVB2 in the same association also the sidebar on AP's still needing park rez's next year - oh no - that sucks - means I need to make reservations for spring trips  |
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Post by pooh bears mom on Dec 3, 2023 7:36:30 GMT -5
I also think dvc needs to rethink this entire point restrictions for resale points. I would bet that RIV would be sold out already if not for that deal. As much as i love the resort we didn't buy there because of the restrictions. We will probably pick up a small resale at some point at RIV.
I do feel the restrictions have kept a certain percent away from direct. Another reason why I think PVD will be part of the same association.
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Post by tomandrobin on Dec 3, 2023 8:32:01 GMT -5
I also think dvc needs to rethink this entire point restrictions for resale points. I would bet that RIV would be sold out already if not for that deal. As much as i love the resort we didn't buy there because of the restrictions. We will probably pick up a small resale at some point at RIV. I do feel the restrictions have kept a certain percent away from direct. Another reason why I think PVD will be part of the same association. This topic really needs its own thread, but here I go.....
You are right, DVC/Disney should reverse course and eliminate the restrictions. Only one resort is impacted by this and its Riviera. The restrictions benefits only Disney, not the owners. Why, because it depresses resale value, making it a bargain for Disney to exercise ROFR and sell it as new again. It also gives Disney more breakage to rent for cash.
Covid messed up Disney's plans with DVC. The next resort was suppose to be Reflections, which would have had the restrictions too. But instead, because of budgets, time, occupancy, etc Disney put Reflections on hold and decided to roll with the add-ons to Grand Floridian and Poly resorts, plus the bastardize Fort Wilderness DVC Trailer Park. (Yes, I am showing my disdain and disappointment of the trailers).
I think that future "new" resorts will have the point restrictions. If DVC wants to see a resort not sell, they better not add the restrictions to the Fort Wilderness Resort. Its going to be a hard sell already, adding restrictions will choke it off. Look how Riviera Resort sales are tempered and the resort is amenity packed with skyliner access to two parks. The same people making bad decisions with the movies are probably making similar type of bad decisions here......Make a sub-par product, slap Disney name on it, expect people to flock to it because of banding.
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Post by MinnieMom on Dec 3, 2023 11:48:43 GMT -5
I know that I posted this before, but DVC Sales models over at SSR should be under construction by now for the two new resorts. In the past, you could get sneak peaks of the units if you were lucky. They use those rooms to test furniture, finishes and training before the actual resorts are complete. When I go at the end of December, I plan on snooping around some since I will be staying at SSR. Please do! I am sure they're doing something. Though I do remember test rooms at OKW during the last refurb were actually at OKW and not SSR. I assume due to the crazy differences in layouts Hey, that's smart! Maybe I should find some time to do the same during the upcoming trip. I don't see us buying any more points right now, but would love to see a model for either the FW cabins or Poly tower as I am certain we will stay in both over the years. |
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Post by brp on Dec 3, 2023 11:56:20 GMT -5
I also think dvc needs to rethink this entire point restrictions for resale points. I would bet that RIV would be sold out already if not for that deal. As much as i love the resort we didn't buy there because of the restrictions. We will probably pick up a small resale at some point at RIV. I do feel the restrictions have kept a certain percent away from direct. Another reason why I think PVD will be part of the same association. This topic really needs its own thread, but here I go.....
You are right, DVC/Disney should reverse course and eliminate the restrictions. Only one resort is impacted by this and its Riviera. The restrictions benefits only Disney, not the owners. Why, because it depresses resale value, making it a bargain for Disney to exercise ROFR and sell it as new again. It also gives Disney more breakage to rent for cash.
I have a hard time believing that any substantial number of people paying full boat for DVC points are factoring resale (and resale restrictions) into their calculations. Pretty sure that the TS salesweasels don't even mention resale, but I would guess that most buyers don't even know about this restriction when paying the developer prices.
Is there any support for the impact of the resale restriction on first-time (direct) purchase. We know about this, of course, but we're a minuscule population of owners, even including various FB groups and such. Just can't imagine that this is impactful.
But whether or not it has this impact, what incentive does Disney have to change this? It benefits them quite a bit while make direct more attractive relative to resale. Why would they reverse course on this?
Cheers.
Cheers.
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Post by MinnieMom on Dec 3, 2023 16:58:38 GMT -5
BRP - Salesweasels!!!!
Although to be fair, after doing a few other timeshare pitches, there are many others out there more likely to earn this designation than DVC.
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Post by helenabear on Dec 3, 2023 18:46:12 GMT -5
This topic really needs its own thread, but here I go..... You are right, DVC/Disney should reverse course and eliminate the restrictions. Only one resort is impacted by this and its Riviera. The restrictions benefits only Disney, not the owners. Why, because it depresses resale value, making it a bargain for Disney to exercise ROFR and sell it as new again. It also gives Disney more breakage to rent for cash.
I have a hard time believing that any substantial number of people paying full boat for DVC points are factoring resale (and resale restrictions) into their calculations. Pretty sure that the TS salesweasels don't even mention resale, but I would guess that most buyers don't even know about this restriction when paying the developer prices. Is there any support for the impact of the resale restriction on first-time (direct) purchase. We know about this, of course, but we're a minuscule population of owners, even including various FB groups and such. Just can't imagine that this is impactful. But whether or not it has this impact, what incentive does Disney have to change this? It benefits them quite a bit while make direct more attractive relative to resale. Why would they reverse course on this? Cheers. Cheers. Explain why VGF outsold RR the majority of the time it was on sale though. While the guides may not mention it (which I doubt they don't), people know. Much like people don't lose points much anymore because they know they can rent. I could believe it when I bought in 20 years ago, but not now. I'd say the minority is on those who don't understand restrictions. Even when I bought a couple decades ago I knew resale vs direct and DVC absolutely uses direct perks as a selling point. Given RR sales, I cannot believe it isn't a factor. |
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Post by disney54us on Dec 3, 2023 22:43:53 GMT -5
I honestly don’t see them removing any restrictions for resales. That is their selling point. All the pixie dust during a DVC presentation for a first time buyer. What direct offers vs resale. Is going to appeal.
Everyone has differing opinions.
. I’ve had 7 contracts, mix, bought sold for ones more appealing to me. Meaning I dumped two SSR and one VB. To add Poly and BW and just ended up adding CCV when they were selling..
I’ve always bought direct…. I know horror for those who believe resale is the only smart way to go.
They make it to easy buying direct, for me to be bothered stalking resale sights, waiting and blah blah. That’s just me and it works for a quick easy transaction. I like that what happens between DVC and me, does not show up on credit reports. Handy when I was co signing son’s student loans.
Can I at this point add on resale, yes. I have membership since 97 but doubt if I add on I would go that route. For me, it doesn’t work. For others I realize it does.
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Post by brp on Dec 3, 2023 23:42:50 GMT -5
BRP - Salesweasels!!!! Although to be fair, after doing a few other timeshare pitches, there are many others out there more likely to earn this designation than DVC. General term I apply to all TS sales folks. Common on TUG. AFAIK, appropriate to all TS sales folks. But, I agree that some are weasely than others.
Cheers.
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Post by brp on Dec 3, 2023 23:46:31 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing that any substantial number of people paying full boat for DVC points are factoring resale (and resale restrictions) into their calculations. Pretty sure that the TS salesweasels don't even mention resale, but I would guess that most buyers don't even know about this restriction when paying the developer prices. Is there any support for the impact of the resale restriction on first-time (direct) purchase. We know about this, of course, but we're a minuscule population of owners, even including various FB groups and such. Just can't imagine that this is impactful. But whether or not it has this impact, what incentive does Disney have to change this? It benefits them quite a bit while make direct more attractive relative to resale. Why would they reverse course on this? Cheers. Cheers. Explain why VGF outsold RR the majority of the time it was on sale though. While the guides may not mention it (which I doubt they don't), people know. Much like people don't lose points much anymore because they know they can rent. I could believe it when I bought in 20 years ago, but not now. I'd say the minority is on those who don't understand restrictions. Even when I bought a couple decades ago I knew resale vs direct and DVC absolutely uses direct perks as a selling point. Given RR sales, I cannot believe it isn't a factor. Apples and watermelons. Location. Period. One is walking distance to a park, one isn't. There are so many factors impacting this that trying to make the claim that one factor out of many is causative, in the face of a many compounding factors, is fraught, to say the least. I don't believe that the vast majority of folks know/think about eventual resale when they buy timeshares. But I'd be happy to see documentation to support a contrary view. Lacking that, and knowing what I do about how people plan their travels based on much reading, I'm taking the under on this. Cheers. |
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